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#17611

Posted 24 January 2014 - 08:23 PM

How do you add names to quotes without pressing the quote button to reply?

Is it the same as before the update?


Use this tag:

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 08:59 PM

Let's say you killed a man in the year of our lord 2004. You do 10 years in jail for manslaughter. Would you be allowed to make a thread on here about it? Not in a bragging way, but to discuss and vent?


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 09:03 PM Edited by GunWrath, 24 January 2014 - 09:03 PM.

Don't see why not..

 

You served your time.. although any details of the manslaughter itself may become too graphic for most viewers, in which case the thread may be locked. Perhaps some other convicts may pour out their past experiences of time served for such crimes.


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 09:49 PM

Can anyone from the UK explain please to me why they pronounce Lieutenant "Leftenant"? Or are the Americans doing it incorrectly as usual?


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#17615

Posted 24 January 2014 - 09:50 PM

That's a British thing because it doesn't happen in our ranks.


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#17616

Posted 24 January 2014 - 09:51 PM

That's a British thing because it doesn't happen in our ranks.

 

Oh I know that, that's why i'm asking why they do it.


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 09:54 PM

 

That's a British thing because it doesn't happen in our ranks.

 

Oh I know that, that's why i'm asking why they do it.

 

Because they're never 'right'.

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#17618

Posted 24 January 2014 - 09:55 PM Edited by Ciaran, 24 January 2014 - 09:58 PM.

 

That's a British thing because it doesn't happen in our ranks.

 

Oh I know that, that's why i'm asking why they do it.

 

A lieutenant is usually a rank who is a second in command.

It derives from the French words "lieu" meaning 'place' or 'position' and "tenant" meaning 'someone holding a position or tenancy'.

Therefore "lieutenant" means someone holding a position in place of his superior.

The French word 'lieu' comes from the old French 'luef' which gives rise to the pronunciation "LEF-tenant"

Americans  just try to read it as it's written and mispronounce it as "LOO-tenant".

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#17619

Posted 24 January 2014 - 10:04 PM

During combat or during close relations, we referred to them as, 'El-Tee's' .. 


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 10:07 PM Edited by theadmiral, 24 January 2014 - 10:09 PM.

I can assure you "Lieu" is EDIT: NOT pronounced "Lef" in French.


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 10:12 PM

Well, I'm glad we don't say, Lef-tenant or 'Left-tenant' .. the French, pft.

 

US has their own way of everything it seems, even our customary units.

 

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 10:12 PM

I can assure you "Lieu" is EDIT: NOT pronounced "Lef" in French.

 

And isn't 'luef' l-uh-f? I guess it sounds like "Lef".


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#17623

Posted 24 January 2014 - 10:12 PM

I can assure you "Lieu" is pronounced "Lef" in French.

 

I hate to piss on your chips, but Lieu is pronounced lyeu in French.

 

Example: http://french.about....vs/aulieude.wav

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 10:19 PM Edited by theadmiral, 24 January 2014 - 10:20 PM.

 

I can assure you "Lieu" is pronounced "Lef" in French.

 

I hate to piss on your chips, but Lieu is pronounced lyeu in French.

 

Example: http://french.about....vs/aulieude.wav

 

I edited my post before you responded, that was a typo! I know that!

 

So by the French pronunciation, isn't the American way correct?


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#17625

Posted 24 January 2014 - 10:24 PM

isn't the American way correct?

 

It always is.

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#17626

Posted 24 January 2014 - 10:49 PM

Where is an internet intellectual when you need one? Hopefully someone can provide an answer that makes some sense!


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#17627

Posted 24 January 2014 - 11:00 PM Edited by Panz, 24 January 2014 - 11:01 PM.

Can anyone from the UK explain please to me why they pronounce Lieutenant "Leftenant"? Or are the Americans doing it incorrectly as usual?

I'm more intrigued as to why the brits pronounce the word "buoy" like "boy".

 

For you brits:  Americans pronounce it like "boo-ee". Rhymes with chewy.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 11:02 PM

 

Can anyone from the UK explain please to me why they pronounce Lieutenant "Leftenant"? Or are the Americans doing it incorrectly as usual?

I'm more intrigued as to why the brits pronounce the word "buoy" like "boy".

 

For you brits:  Americans pronounce it like "boo-ee". Rhymes with chewy.

 

That one is just American ignorance and making up different pronunciations/butchering the English language.


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#17629

Posted 24 January 2014 - 11:04 PM

 

 

I can assure you "Lieu" is pronounced "Lef" in French.

 

I hate to piss on your chips, but Lieu is pronounced lyeu in French.

 

Example: http://french.about....vs/aulieude.wav

 

I edited my post before you responded, that was a typo! I know that!

 

So by the French pronunciation, isn't the American way correct?

 

 

 

No because in the US it is pronounced as "lewtenant", whilst the correct french pronunciation would be "lyeut-nah". 

 

As for the why, possible answer is that that that the "w" sound of the Old French word Luef (Lieu, Eng: Place) was mistakingly repeated as "v"/"f" by non French speakers.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 11:05 PM

 

 

Can anyone from the UK explain please to me why they pronounce Lieutenant "Leftenant"? Or are the Americans doing it incorrectly as usual?

I'm more intrigued as to why the brits pronounce the word "buoy" like "boy".

 

For you brits:  Americans pronounce it like "boo-ee". Rhymes with chewy.

 

That one is just American superiority and creating different pronunciations/improving the English language even better than the Queen herself could.

 

 

Fixed that for you, Addy. You have a bit of a stroke at the keyboard?

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 11:07 PM Edited by theadmiral, 24 January 2014 - 11:07 PM.

 

 

 

 

No because in the US it is pronounced as "lewtenant", whilst the correct french pronunciation would be "lyeut-nah". 

 

As for the why, possible answer is that that that the "w" sound of the Old French word Luef (Lieu, Eng: Place) was mistakingly repeated as "v"/"f" by non French speakers.

 

 

Obviously we aren't French so we aren't going to pronounce it entirely in French. I was just suggesting that "Lewtenant" is more in line with "Lieu" in both English and French than "Leftenant"

 

Why wouldn't the UK have corrected this once they found out they got it wrong? From what i'm hearing Leftenant is not used in any other English speaking military.

 

Can we do Colonel next? What the heck is up with that one?


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 11:09 PM Edited by Devyl, 24 January 2014 - 11:10 PM.

Wikipedia to the rescue:

 

 


Pronunciation of lieutenant is generally split between the forms /lɛfˈtɛnənt/ lef-ten-ənt and 11px-Speakerlink-new.svg.pngi/luːˈtɛnənt/ lew-ten-ənt, with the former generally associated with the armies of the United Kingdom and Commonwealth countries, and the latter generally associated with anyone from the United States.[1] The early history of the pronunciation is unclear; Middle English spellings suggest that the /luː-/ and /lɛf-/ pronunciations may have existed even then.[2] The rare Old French variant spelling luef for Modern French lieu ('place') supports the suggestion that a final [w] of the Old French word was in certain environments perceived as an [f].[2]

In Royal Naval tradition—and other English-speaking navies outside the United States—a reduced pronunciation /ləˈtɛnənt/ is used. This is not recognized as current by the OED, however, and by 1954 the Royal Canadian Navy, at least, regarded it as "obsolescent" even while regarding "the army's 'LEF-tenant'" to be "a corruption of the worst sort".[3]

 


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#17633

Posted 24 January 2014 - 11:11 PM

These discussions are much more interesting without Wikipedia getting in the way. You could at least paraphrase it instead of copying directly from it!


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 11:18 PM

These discussions are much more interesting without Wikipedia getting in the way. You could at least paraphrase it instead of copying directly from it!

 

 

OK, fine.

 

You're both right and wrong at pronouncing it and you all win the gold/fail miserably.

 

Better?

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#17635

Posted 24 January 2014 - 11:25 PM

Can we do Colonel next? What the heck is up with that one?

 

Sure, there is a much easier explanation here. There were 2 forms of the word back in 16th century Middle french vocabulary "coronel" and "colonel" the latter being the older form of the word dating back to the old italian "colonello" which is derived from the Latin world "columnella". Somehow it continued to be written colonel, but pronounced as the then more-modern variant "coronel" which can be pronounced as "kernel".

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 11:27 PM

 

Can we do Colonel next? What the heck is up with that one?

 

Sure, there is a much easier explanation here. There were 2 forms of the word back in 16th century Middle french vocabulary "coronel" and "colonel" the latter being the older form of the word dating back to the old italian "colonello" which is derived from the Latin world "columnella". Somehow it continued to be written colonel, but pronounced as the then more-modern variant "coronel" which can be pronounced as "kernel".

 

 

What I thought is that Coronel was from Spanish and Colonel was from French, derived as you described, which then begs the question why do we go with French pronunciations for one rank and Spanish pronunciations for another?

 

Don't several European countries pronounce it with the Ls as it is written? (Colonel)


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 11:36 PM Edited by Raavi, 24 January 2014 - 11:37 PM.

 

 

Can we do Colonel next? What the heck is up with that one?

 

Sure, there is a much easier explanation here. There were 2 forms of the word back in 16th century Middle french vocabulary "coronel" and "colonel" the latter being the older form of the word dating back to the old italian "colonello" which is derived from the Latin world "columnella". Somehow it continued to be written colonel, but pronounced as the then more-modern variant "coronel" which can be pronounced as "kernel".

 

 

What I thought is that Coronel was from Spanish and Colonel was from French, derived as you described, which then begs the question why do we go with French pronunciations for one rank and Spanish pronunciations for another?

 

Don't several European countries pronounce it with the Ls as it is written? (Colonel)

 

 

It is both a Middle French and a spanish word. It is more likely to be adopted from one language (Middle French) than from both Middle French and Spanish.

 

And yes off the top of my head I know that in the French, Romanian, Estonian and Dutch language Colonel is pronounced as it is written.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 11:44 PM Edited by Nopheros, 24 January 2014 - 11:44 PM.

Just a general question about this forum..

 

Can you only post two Youtube-videos in one post now?

 

Example: How Your Mother Met Me - Intro

 

Get back out there.

 

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There are only two of the videos showing, I know that you could post more than that before, but what about now?


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 11:46 PM

Thank god, no need to post extreme amounts of videos in one post. It's beyond annoying.

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Posted 25 January 2014 - 12:23 AM

When does Drive Club for PS4 release? Thank you. :^:




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