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Posted 03 January 2011 - 09:37 PM

After making some field research (Youtube comments and GTAF's Lounge), I've come to identify 2 dominant kinds of thoughts about Justin Bieber:

1. The Typical Moronic Hater, very likely to hate him just because of a phenomenon that's getting more common everyday: "MHTMS" or "Mainstream Hatred Towards Mainstream Stuff". Which is totally nonsense, given the actual reasons to hate popular artists, hating them just by trend is pathetic. By the way, this species seems to be from the very same phillus as the ordinary retarded Youtube commenter.

2. The Haters' Hater, which sees only one kind of disliker, the moronic one. Such annoys him hugely, which justifies him in not teaming up with the hater team. Hater's haters use to seek the positive aspects on Bieber's songs, in a much more rational way than the usual fans. Their ideas are easy to be found at GTAF, I'm still not sure if they are a real majority around here.

3. The Ordinary Fan, which dispenses any comment. Mostly composed by virgin 13 years old girls (or those with similar behaviour), this group has, if you look at the detais from a different perspective, way more layers that we usually think, there are more reasons to like and worship Justin that what meets the eyes. Apart from the good old mainstream bullcrap (whatever is popular is good), there's also the tendency that today's girls are attracted by men who look, act, sound, breath like girls (Justin Bieber, Edward from Twilight, etc). And there's also how great a totally artificial voice, bred to be a pop-star and covered with tons of enhancements and autotuning sounds. Three layers, that's huge!

4. The Rational Hater, well, that's me there. I actually listen to Bieber's crap on radio, TV, etc. and the songs themself are the source of my disliking. In my conception, most things in the world evolve with time, except music after the 60's, 70's & 80's, which were the climax of music quality (50's and everything before them is measured in another scale, IMO), even plastic pop was artistical, then it all started to descend in the 90's, still a good decade, with Grunge and such, but the Top40 started to be artificialised (sp?). More ahead, everything went downhill in the 2000's and the dystopian 2010's, nobody cares about making a well crafted song, it's all about selling, and if people buy crap with no problem, why making anything better than crap?
I believe piously that I'm not alone in this group.

Brothers, in this newborn decade, in this newborn year, people who like real music, unite! Let's make the 2010's a time when we arise, take over and bring back the good old values in music, like "It must have a melody", "Sounds better if sung, not talked" and good heavens, guitar solos! Let's make a difference!

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 09:50 PM

QUOTE (SanAndreasManiac @ Jan 3 2011, 21:37)
Brothers, in this newborn decade, in this newborn year, people who like real music, unite! Let's make the 2010's a time when we arise, take over and bring back the good old values in music, like "It must have a melody", "Sounds better if sung, not talked" and good heavens, guitar solos! Let's make a difference!

Unfortunately, this will never happen. The Media hype up all these Arse holes who use auto-tune; very, very sad.

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 09:58 PM

Voice editing is not necessarily autotune. There's a post here that explains it pretty nicely but I can't be bothered to go find it since the search function is still down.

I'm a hybrid of the second and fourth group I suppose. I believe that simply not paying attention to music you don't like works best, so bringing it up in every single YT comment etc. doesn't work.

Oh and I strongly disagree with the assumption that all music since Y2k sucks, Rick.

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 10:23 PM Edited by SanAndreasManiac, 03 January 2011 - 10:28 PM.

QUOTE (Minus the Boom @ Jan 3 2011, 18:58)
Oh and I strongly disagree with the assumption that all music since Y2k sucks, Rick.

I didn't say that, I meant 99% of mainstream, which lets still a big exception group, that's the underground stuff, and some occasional, getting-rarer good sounding top40 songs

also, it's not like I listen to pop crap just to get myself angry (and you would't like to me me angry alien.gif ), but there are these situations where you can't avoid it, like when you work in a place in front of a small town public square, and in the adjacent street there's one of many lamppost mounted audioboxes that play a comunitary radio with local ads and lots of forementioned sh*t

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 10:25 PM

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"It must have a melody"

OK, I guess. Though, one make the argument that music today actually has melodies. monocle.gif Shocking!

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"Sounds better if sung, not talked"

Not necessarily.

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and good heavens, guitar solos!

Totally unnecessary.

QUOTE (SanAndreasManiac)
In my conception, most things in the world evolve with time, except music after the 60's, 70's & 80's, which were the climax of music quality (50's and everything before them is measured in another scale, IMO), even plastic pop was artistical, then it all started to descend in the 90's, still a good decade, with Grunge and such, but the Top40 started to be artificialised (sp?). More ahead, everything went downhill in the 2000's and the dystopian 2010's, nobody cares about making a well crafted song, it's all about selling, and if people buy crap with no problem, why making anything better than crap?
I believe piously that I'm not alone in this group.

All of this is wrong. It's been dealt with so many times in this forum, I'm not sure I want to go through it again. On second thought, I'll give it a try:

The crap of the 50s-90s is forgotten. It wasn't all Pink Floyd and Nirvana back then. When was the last time you heard anything by Tony Orlando on the Oldies channel? Or Ken Snyder? Or that family of singers I can't even remember the name of? I could go on for ages. What's the probability you'll hear Justin Bieber on a future Oldies channel? Right. Furthermore, much, if not most pop from the 40s to... Well, today has been just god awful. Even the 80s period of pop music that is so revered on these boards was chock full of shallow, bland junk. While mainstream music might be crap (to you and me, at the very least) there is a lot of contemporary music that isn't. You should, y'know, look some of that up.

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 10:34 PM

QUOTE (Gronf @ Jan 3 2011, 22:25)
The crap of the 50s-90s is forgotten. It wasn't all Pink Floyd and Nirvana back then.

This can't be stressed enough, especially here. A large portion of the posters here who say that music these days is sh*t compared to decades past are pretty young (around my age) so the only 60s/70/80s music they know is the good stuff. I couldn't name you a sh*t band from the 80s, that's not because they were all amazing, but because I haven't been exposed to any of the crap. I reckon when we're all 20 years older we'll look back at these years and say "Yeah, it wasn't too bad actually".

I hate the attitude that everything produced your life time is sh*t and only the stuff before you were born is good. It's just a slap in the face to all the good artists that actually are out there now.

As for Bieber, I don't like his music. But as long as they aren't playing him on my radio 24/7 I can live with it. It's not hard to avoid a particular artist if you actually try.

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 11:11 PM

I think i might be all of them, i am for sure number four though, i too have heard his music and it isn't for me, his voice makes me cringe.

Just for the record "f*ck Justin Beiber!!!"

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 11:12 PM

Well his career is already starting to die off.

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 01:16 AM

You're forgetting an important group of people:

The "I Couldn't Care Less What Justin Bieber Or His Fans Do With Their Lives"'s.
These people plisten to their own music, bands they like, old and new, and don't talk or even think about Justin Bieber all that much. Ah, what bliss to be a T.I.C.C.L.W.J.B.O.H.F.D.W.T.L.

I agree with the comments above in that throughout the past 40-50 years there has been a lot of artificial sounding sh*t that time has simply filtered out for our listening pleasure, as only the better bands are remembered and get their credit.

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There is A LOT of great music being made each day, you just need to know where to find it. I think I know what you're getting at though and that's that in the old days, the seemingly good music, for example by The Beatles, would dominate the charts whereas now music isn't as politically or artisically inclined as it used to be. It doesn't effect anything, all of the good stuff (IMO) is either underrated or underground. In the past, the hippie movement went hand in hand with music, in the 80's, the sound of the anti-establishment was punk bands like the Sex Pistols, Ramones and whatnot.

So yeah, in my humble opinion mainstream music needs to shift from being the wet dream of 13 year old girls to something a bit more serious with an impact.

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 01:18 AM

In essence this is the best time for music. You have access to all the past thanks to the internet and records etc. and yet you complain about the few average musicians around today. I'd love if we were back in the past, but the fact remains that quite a few genres I listen to wouldn't even exist if we did.

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 01:58 AM

I am no way a Beiber fan but can everyone just stop going on about him? Believe it or not by complaining about him 24/7 is just giving him attention. But yes his music is terrible worse enough we have an Aussie JB called Cody Simpson now sad.gif

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 02:34 AM

Well...
The kid pretty much deserves to be hated, he has barelly any talent and thinks he's the best musician there ever was just because he can impress the already so-easy-to-impress-I-can't-believe-it's-not-zombies target group, aka preteen girls that may or may not have lesbian tendences (seriously, if women like bieber then there's something really screwed with biology right now, he doesn't have any interesting genetic trait)

Personally, I hope that some unknown guy rises one of this days and turns mainstream music into win again...

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 08:10 AM

QUOTE (SanAndreasManiac @ Jan 3 2011, 23:23)
QUOTE (Minus the Boom @ Jan 3 2011, 18:58)
Oh and I strongly disagree with the assumption that all music since Y2k sucks, Rick.

I didn't say that, I meant 99% of mainstream, which lets still a big exception group, that's the underground stuff, and some occasional, getting-rarer good sounding top40 songs

One percent of mainstream music is underground stuff? sigh.gif

I agree, 99% of mainstream music these days sucks. I'm sure they said the same thing back in the '80s but I can't comment on that. Doesn't matter either way, pop/mainstream music is just something you have to put up with until you can plug in your earphones and listen to music you like. inlove.gif

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 10:54 AM

So, let me see if I got this right.
According to the thread name description, you are a rational hater.
In the bio you wrote for rational haters, you (and other rational haters, if they really exist) think that everything in popular music has gone downhill since the 90's, and that these days, mainstream music and everything about it sucks.
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More ahead, everything went downhill in the 2000's and the dystopian 2010's, nobody cares about making a well crafted song, it's all about selling, and if people buy crap with no problem, why making anything better than crap?


Okay, so then you talked about Typical Moronic Haters, who hate on Bieber and other mainstream acts just for the phenomenon of hating them.
You also described how Typical Moronic Haters and their causes are nonsense, and that what they do is pathetic.
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The Typical Moronic Hater, very likely to hate him just because of a phenomenon that's getting more common everyday: "MHTMS" or "Mainstream Hatred Towards Mainstream Stuff". Which is totally nonsense, given the actual reasons to hate popular artists, hating them just by trend is pathetic.


So as far as I see it, you're both a Typical Moronic Hater and a Rational Hater, but prefer the latter term because it sounds more respectable and presents you as a more intelligent person, but in reality, you are a Typical Pathetic Moron.

Don't hate me, you are the one who wrote the descriptions.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 05:20 AM

I think there are many great songs around, you can't forget the classics, just because you don't like a tune it doesn't mean the singer or band/whatever doesn't care about the tune or the beat.
I think most of the modern day music haters are a little bit ignorant, i like a lot of new music, and a whole lot of older music (60/70/80/90) the style is usually different but that doesn't make the song any better or worse i will admit there is some real crap these days, but there was a lot of crap in the other eras mentioned as well, so you can't say any specific era is crap, it all depends on taste.

I think the guy who posted above me (Cheat) pretty much got everything about OP right

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 05:06 PM

QUOTE ([SM]CJZera @ Jan 4 2011, 03:34)
Well...
The kid pretty much deserves to be hated, he has barelly any talent and thinks he's the best musician there ever was just because he can impress the already so-easy-to-impress-I-can't-believe-it's-not-zombies target group, aka preteen girls that may or may not have lesbian tendences (seriously, if women like bieber then there's something really screwed with biology right now, he doesn't have any interesting genetic trait)

Personally, I hope that some unknown guy rises one of this days and turns mainstream music into win again...

Well, he sings with a really high voice and I don't like it one bit, but he is talented. It's his record company that gets him to produce crap the fanbase you mentioned will like, since you know, they're the ones that actually buy music instead of download it.

He seems like an alright guy too, remember that time he published personal info on his Twitter of that guy who was insulting him through Twitter?

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 06:12 PM

QUOTE (SanAndreasManiac @ Jan 3 2011, 21:37)
"Sounds better if sung, not talked"

It's really amazing how many f*cking people get away with that.

You just scored street cred.


*As far as Bieber goes I'm ambivalent. I don't hate him as a person as that requires an invested care, I just don't enjoy his music and I leave it at that.

You're description of the "rational hater" actually sounds a lot broader in application than a "How and why people hate Bieber" topic you should give epoxi's "What's wrong with music today?" topic a read. You'd probably find some things in there to vibe with.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 08:45 PM

f*ck you haters. Because of you every single comment in youtube is "224 bieber fans dislike this" "2324 people have bieber on their iPods" "blend Justin Bieber". Just ignore him. His fans don't give a f*ck if you dislike him.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 09:38 PM

I'll say why I hate Justin Bieber. It's not because he is more popular than me or because he is so ''popular'' in his early age. No. Nothing like that.

I am a musician for 10 years now. Through this 10 years I have listened to a lot of music genres - pop, rock, country, metal, punk, jazz, techno...everything. My instrument is guitar. Has been and always will be. Today I listen to instrumental rock, neo classical metal, blues and jazz fusion. And let me tell you, this 4 music genres are amazing. Not just because I listen to them, but in a musical meaning. That 4 genres have sucked out everything possible out of guitar. Guitar turned into a living soul. And musicians that play that genres (Ex. Joe Satriani, Jason Becker, Steve Vai, Shawn Lane, Stevie Ray Vaughan etc.) are not even 10 % known and popular around the world as Justin Bieber. And that, my friends, is a discrase. Why? These musicians that I wrote have spent so many years to learn the meaning of music, harmony, rhythm and other stuff that makes music perfect. They have tons of musical knowledge and they are all unique. Very unique and special in their own way and almost nobody knows their songs. And that kid Justin Bieber, whose songs can be written in 20 minutes or so, and that is a fact, not an opinion. Songs that he makes need 20 to 45 minutes tops to make. And he gets all the fame. He doesn't sing quite well either. But you can't explain that to little boys and girls between 10 and 14 years cause they are amazed how he sings. Wow..f*cking amazing. Now, I was talking to my friend the other day and he said that people have taste for music. I laughed at his face. That is absolutely not true. If you can listen to Justin Bieber and not to these artists above that make their songs for weeks and even months until they're perfect. Now, tell me honestly, is that fair? Please listen to this song here --> or this song here --> and tell me that that songs aren't masterpieces and full of emotions and feelings. It's very hard to write that kind of songs with catchy melodies and feelings, you know.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 09:58 PM

QUOTE (Suihkubad @ Jan 5 2011, 22:45)
f*ck you haters. Because of you every single comment in youtube is "224 bieber fans dislike this" "2324 people have bieber on their iPods" "blend Justin Bieber". Just ignore him. His fans don't give a f*ck if you dislike him.

Fans under 12-14 years and specially girls, you mean?! Of course I dislike him because If I want to watch the MTV I see him 5 in 5 minutes all the time, 24-7 per day and the next day, around 30 music of the last 2009-2010, repeating them twice per day making a complete 12 hours, where I need to pay my channel to that kind of crap at my age, and for the other pop-stars that exist past 5-6 years that are trying to show they are some kind of kings of the new-age-music. He is everyone, that I could see in the next day a paper-roll printed with his face. What the hack, for example I didn't see Elton John on MTV for some damn good years. After Michael Jackson death, now he is everywhere on my channels music. Now you see how jerks they are. Only VH-1/VH1 are still balancing.

Haah! I could make a MTV 90's-2011 comparing-picture at the funny picture topic, of what music is today.

Glad I got used with Screamer Radio and I listen to what music I want below 2000's to 1930.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 12:02 AM

All I know is, There's going to be one less lonely Girl.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 04:18 AM

I Don't Really Care If People thinks he looks good,because music is music.
everytime i make a good point clearly that his lyrics are stale and stupid girls always say,your just jealous he has a good look.
if you put all the sonfs together it just sounds like the song changes verses with different instrumentals and chorus.
and hes no way to be compared to the beatles.

I Would like a point why hes lyrics are good.

and not all mainstream music is horrible i actually like that song called Black and Yellow.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 04:43 AM

So a JB fan killed their self I guess that's one less lonely girl YYYYYEEEEEAAAAAHHHHHH!

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 07:51 AM

QUOTE (Gronf @ Jan 3 2011, 22:25)
The crap of the 50s-90s is forgotten. It wasn't all Pink Floyd and Nirvana back then. When was the last time you heard anything by Tony Orlando on the Oldies channel? Or Ken Snyder? Or that family of singers I can't even remember the name of? I could go on for ages. What's the probability you'll hear Justin Bieber on a future Oldies channel? Right. Furthermore, much, if not most pop from the 40s to... Well, today has been just god awful. Even the 80s period of pop music that is so revered on these boards was chock full of shallow, bland junk. While mainstream music might be crap (to you and me, at the very least) there is a lot of contemporary music that isn't. You should, y'know, look some of that up.

I think you missed the point that the OP is trying to make. Of course there was sh*t music in previous decades. Of course there were artists who completely sucked back then. Bad music is nothing new. But, the OP is mainly talking about top 40 music. "Pop", in its most literal sense. The stuff that's played on the radio or that the majority of people listen to.

Compare the popular music of any decade preceding the 00's and you will see that the music today just pales in comparison. Back then, the majority of crappy music didn't make the billboards. No one gave it any thought. But nowadays, it seems like if you're looking for garbage, the billboards are your best bet. And thats a shame.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 08:11 AM

What's with the haters, it seems like you give him more attention than his fans do.

I don't like his music but i don't hate him, one particular song that makes me cringe the one that goes "like baby baby Ooohhh". Aside from that i admit he is not my taste and leave it that.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 09:22 AM Edited by PHCharls, 06 January 2011 - 09:25 AM.

I hate him because
-he steals girls by his music
-he fails in music
-hes gay
iam in number 4

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 12:56 PM

Hate is a bit of a strong word. I'm not a fan of his music anyway but I'm interested in what he'll sound like once his balls drop.
Maybe he'll abandon generic pop for something else more suited to a (hopefully) deep, manly voice.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 01:05 PM

I actually like Justin Bieber. I like his music, he has better looks than the majority of people on the forums, he's talented, and people need to stop hating him for his music and pre pube voice because nobody forces people to listen to him.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 03:18 PM

QUOTE (Piperka @ Jan 6 2011, 14:05)
I actually like Justin Bieber. I like his music, he has better looks than the majority of people on the forums, he's talented, and people need to stop hating him for his music and pre pube voice because nobody forces people to listen to him.

icon14.gif for admitting that. World needs more people like you.

As for the comments on YouTube, yes it's annoying as hell, but who reads comments on YouTube? You're bound to stumble upon crap like that.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 04:08 PM Edited by E.A.B., 06 January 2011 - 04:11 PM.

I hate Justin Bieber because I will never be able to squeeze my dick into that tight tiny asshole of his sad.gif

feel my pain guyz

sidenote: I somehow find the phrase 'Bieber Fever' hilarious. I really don't know why.

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real nigga srz tyme: I can understand why people would hate his music. I'm not a personal fan of it either.

Still hilarious though. I remember going through a similar 'MAINSTREAM SUXXX' phrase as well. I look back and laugh. Because, while arguments against the mainstream can be valid, it's still hatred for hatreds sake. When you simply hate something just because, then you've already lost DA WARRRR.

Since, you know, emotion clouds logic and is never reasonable. And that;s what you should head for. Reasonableness.

'Should I really hate the guy, and why?'

If it boil down to 'I DONT LIKE HIS HAIR I DONT LIKE HIS VOICE HE LOOKS GHEY', then you're really not much of a thinker. So, yes, I don't like him. But it takes a certain level of maturity to take a step back emotionally and analyze the situation. My analysis?

"Justin Bieber has a good voice (if a bit womanly), but his style of dress and music is not up to my tastes. I find him to be far too feminine, thereby making him a bit obnoxious. But other than that, different strokes for different folks.

Most of his fans are underage anyway, so he won't be getting any legal pussy soon.

I do find him to be generic and not worth mentioning, though. Just wait until people move onto the next best thing. I find that music is great, but music careers that seek the lifestyle instead of the art are pretty shallow. Then again, if it's danceable then there's no problem here."

But I can't control myself emotionally. So I'll have to end it with a 'f*ck Justin'. Well, at least I acknowledge that it's baseless hatred.




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