Alright, here are things that will be in the big update that is coming this or next weekend, that have been suggested above and before and that we(well i) agreed to insert to make the league better. There are a few more tiny things i have to consult the rest of you, and one big thing to conclude, before the update is finished and 1st post updated.Green
- 100% sureOrange
- Almost decided, but still to be discussed a bit with the rest.Red
- Yet to be started discussing.
So, here we go with the current change log, in no particular order:
Ultimatums will be given on every 3 months to the gangs. They will have to play a certain amount of matches to stay in the league. That way, we can keep the interest high, and we could remove extremely inactive clans to keep the match list clearer.
March 2011 ultimatum - I shouldn't be so harsh to gangs at start seeing that we're still working on some settings, so i think 1 match minimum should be enough.
June 2011 ultimatum - I am thinking somewhere around 6 or 7 matches for this ultimatum. Still not exactly sure
September 2011 ultimatum - Around 13-14 matches should be done by this point, leaving only 4-5 after wards
December 2011 ultimatum - Final ultimatum. However, i am not sure should i go lightly with the gangs who have a few matches left, or should i go harsh, because some gangs may avoid playing at the end of the year(some thing that CakePicnic mentioned HERE and in December would be too late anyways, so maybe this final ultimatum should happen in october.
If there are gangs who go inactive, they will have to be removed from the league. I have agreed that the rules of the past 2 years weren't right when someone finally suggested how to change them. Not just saying they should be changed. So, those who go inactive or close, will get removed, and it will look as if they never participated in the GL. No points to anyone.
There is 1 thing that is yet to be discussed on this subject however. I've given an example before of, say SOL, who has a score of 5-4-2 for an example, and closed with 4 matches unplayed yet.
Then, we have a gang who didn't play a single match, was in GL and closed, or gone inactive and removed by ultimatum.
I feel that there should be a difference between those who played and were removed, and those who didnt do a single match and were removed.
Like it's said in the green part of 2nd thing in the changelog, in both cases all the scores of dead gangs will be erased and no points would be given to anyone, but please, HELP ME make a difference between these 2 cases of gangs. I hope they won't happen and that nobody will close, but there has to be this rule.
This has been confirmed and added to the last update, but i'll make it more visible now in the 1st post. In the first post under ''Settings'', Modes and Length will be something that you have to do from the given list when you play. it will be colored in green. You will have to do either 10 or 20 minutes,or 2500 or 5000 in TDM, TW, etc...The other rules are left for you to decide when you host, and the other gang when they host. These rules will be marked in red, and i will give a suggestion on how most of the matches were done before, as some sort of a instruction for the newer folk.
The first line in the ''Info'' section, about matches being played early or late does not have to be followed. It is/was just an advice(it will be changed in the edit). You can plan your schedule, or play all matches early, or all matches late, as long as you watch out for ultimatums.
And now for my final concern, call me whatever you want, but i've been thinking and i've found a solution to keep the overall table, and all 10 gangs with an EQUAL
chance of winning the GL. This setup works perfectly with the current set up of gangs. If new gangs arrive to the scene in 2012 League, then i will surely consider again to split the league up if there is a major difference and a lot of matches not being able to be completed.
So please listen careful and pay attention:
11 gangs are there in the first post.SJS
have merged into TLAD. SInce TLAD is part of Damned MC, they won't take part in the league. Thanks to the new, more fair and elss fantasy-league rules, SJS will be removed fully from the league, and nobody would get ''fake'' wins in matches that never happened.
Good, now we are left with 10 gangs. So lets scout all of them one by one.Project Mayhem
is a PS3 and 360 gang. They can play all of their matches.The Dominican Mob
is a 360 and PC gang CURRENTLY. If you look closely in their first post, you will see they have a PS3 roster that is to be formed in near future(2-3 months max i assume). At that point, they will become a PS3 gang as well, and PS3 only gangs could then get that last match vs them done. They are a rather new gang and they have just finished forming the PC division, so very very soon, they will have a PS3 side as well.Sons of Liberty
is a PS3 gang, and quite inactive. They are most likely to be removed by an ultimatum quite soon.The Damned MC
is a PS3 and 360 gang. They can also play all the matches.Twisted Syndicate
was a PS3 gang only, but they have formed a 360 division after some YLOD's happened to a certain few people, so they too can play everyone.Angels of Death MC
is on PS3 and 360, they can play everyone. Their PS3 side may have went to Project mayhem, but they have GTAKing33, Booze T and DizzyFromFumes, and just recently got a new recruit on the PS3 side, so they have some great shooters who could take on any PS3 gang, even TEC.SRS Incorporated
is on PS3 and PC. They can play every gang as well. They had a 360 section, but it went inactive, and the PS3 section is active on RDRF as RRR mostly, but they still come to GTAF and play GTA and SRS said they will activate the PS3 side for this year's GL. MC, aFinn, Yuki, Kimd, etc.Yardies
are on PS3 and PC, can play everyone.D12
are both the only non-multiplatform gangs, but they too can play every
match, except with Dominican Mob. Once DM gets the PS3 division officially open in a month or two, they both would be able to play all of their matches. Until it's open, they should finish other matches, and then just get this done to an end.
So, TEC vs DM and D12 vs DM, only 2 matches that at this right moment cannot be played. SO you may ask what if they don't open a PS3 side.
Then you would just need to win all or most of your matches to be the champion. 1 Single game not played will NOT hurt your title ambitions. Look closely:
18 matches total in League, TEC wins all 16, has 2 unplayed(or D12), their score is 16-0-0. Yardies for an example, win all matches, lose to TEC(or D12). yardies then have 16-0-2.
Then we go to the rule in the first post which says that in case the gangs have the same amount of points, match between the gang decides. So in this case, TEC(or D12) would win.
And this is an example of a WORST CASE
in which 2 best PS3 gangs can be put into.
If, IF everyone play as planned, be active and participate, i am 200% sure that they won't need to win all of those 16 matches. They could also win GL with 60 or 70% of wins., because other gangs will just lose more points when facing each other. Like when TEC won 09 GL.
I am 100% sure DM will have a PS3 section very very soon, don't worry a thing.
I've also looked in the 2009 and 2010 leagues, and all of them had around 5-6 matches total who couldn't be done, so if i could go back to the past, then those leagues would be split. But in 2011 League, i've just discovered a perfect way for it to stay, as you can see above if you read it with attention.
Having the league split into 3 would cause more confusion, harder editing, more matches with same gangs and so on.
I'm not saying it's wrong, i am still considering it, i am just saying that the overall table, with the current 10 gangs and current situation works better since 99% of the matches can be done, and i am pretty sure it will raise to 100% once DM forms the PS3 side, so the last 2 matches can be completed.
If in 2012 League, there are more matches who can't be completed, i will surely look to split it at the very start.
But right now, overall table can still be done. Please understand me and my plea. It is more easier to co-ordinate. Look at the potential PC League, with 3 gangs, it doesn't look like nothing.
I also firmly believe nobody will close until GTA5, and this setup of gangs will stay until GTA 5 launch. This setup in which everyone can play everyone in the overall table. Once V comes out, there will surely be changes. Which changes, we will see.
Please understand me. 1 winner is better then 3 winners. It's meant to be like this. Don't take this pleasure from me. I am not doing this so Yardies can win it. We won in 2010 because major gangs (D12 and TEC) didn't play much and were GL inactive. TEC also won in 2009 when every active gang played and when there was a bigger difference between ps3 and 360 and more matches were not able to be played. And now it's less, only 2. The rules were also terrible, i agree which brought D12 to 3rd without playing, but now those rules are fixed thanks to you guys who helped me, and such problems wont happen again.
I am begging you to understand this and see this as the right way to go. Just play and there won't be a problem in the end. Doing GL feels like guiding a baby through life. Please don't take my baby away.
Edited by AndyGanteks, 19 January 2011 - 11:24 PM.