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The Volt
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Posted 04 November 2010 - 09:27 PM

Time and time again I've witnessed threads come and go on this forum regarding the protagonist owning businesses. Purchasing and maintaining an established has been a praised feature in other games, some relatable to GTA. So I assume if Rockstar correctly implimented it, it could only bring good things to GTA V. In this thread i'll be going over some concepts and ideas I have that revolve around the "Business" feature.

First off I think the building purchasing should operate somewhat like SA. There's buildings all over the map to buy - some more expensive than others - and there would be certain buildings that were specifically for hosting businesses and specific buildings that would be houses (Clearly differing in size/location). Obviously business buildings would be plain, large and located in an intelligent position such as downtown or anywhere particularly that wasn't blatently a community.

The player would be able to choose what type of business it's going to be, then have a selection of furnishings available to specific genres & quality levels.
For example.
Say you buy a building, turn it into a strip club, and go for the biker theme. You would have the option to buy Biker themed everything (Tables, Pole stands, stripper outfits, ect.) on 3 scales of wealth. The first being the cheapest biker theme materials, and the last being the most espensive. For example, say the cheapest decoration (just for revenue values) is a WWII Bomber Jacket, and the most espensive would be a High Price Motorcycle elevated for display.
This sort of system would operate for everything in the Strip Club from plain tables, to nice tables with motorcycle engines as leg posts.

This idea of genre/cliche specific business options isn't just for show though. Of course having the nicer things would increase the popularity and therefor make the business generate more money, but all of the above leads on to my second idea...

The Allignment Bar

The Allignment bar would be a judging system in the business to decide what sort of crowd the establishment attracts. For example, the more expensive Biker materials you purchase for your business the farther the bar would lean on the Biker scale - thus attracting more leather wearing, tattooed up thugs to your business, and generally resulting in more fights/stumbling people too wasted to speak propper english.
Also from an outside view the majority of vehicles at your business would be motorcycles, as opposed to a Street Gang orientated business where there would be suped up cars, or a Mafia business where there would be subtle expensive vehicles like the Cognesenti.

But I wouldn't want the choosing of theme to just be about image. Certain themed business would also have specific traits - like I already mentioned there would be more fighting/drinking/drug usage at Biker establishments, but also things like a fighting cage, drinking game tables, and possibly even drugs would be available for sale at Biker establishments - and only biker establishments would have these options available.
Then at Mobster businesses there would be different sorts of gambling tables, illegal betting racks (maybe with sports TV inside to bet and see the outcome right there), ect.
And so forth the Street Gang theme would have its own genre of activites and gimicks as well.
Thus every player could design their own favourable business with realistic and entertaining features and gimmicks specific to each establishment.

Business Profit

Business profit would be the income each of your establishments generate. The amount of money invested in the business, the location of the business, your characters reputation and what sort of features you've invested in would all play a role in the amount of $$$ your bringing in. In list form:

Location: The area of your business and the genre of your business would intertwine to create a more realistic climate. For example if you established a Street Gang theme business in a Ghetto area the profit margines would be exceptionally higher. If you established a Biker business in a grundgey area (Closest to the nearest MC assuming they have one in V) the profit margin would be exceptionally higher. The location would also have pull on 1/4 of the Allignment bar, meaning location would play a big factor in the type of crowd you attract at the beginning of the game when you don't have a lot of money to style out your business with your choice of genre.

Money Invested: Obviously no matter what genre you choose the more expensive things you've purchased, the more popular it will become and therefor the more money you'll make.

Reputation: The further you advance in the storyline and the more infamous you get the more people are attracted to your business. Meaning the amount of money you make would stay co-inherrent with your increasing pay as you advance in the story. Of course all other factors would need to be in place to make good money regardless of reputation.

Features Invested: As I mentioned earlier each genre would have its own features and gimmicks to entertain the player. So for example if you purchased a Fighting Cage, Drinking game tables, and a Weed/Coke Dealer for a Biker business the profits would go up. If you entered the business you would see these gimmicks being used as well. After features are purchased your character would be able to particiapte in them as well. Don't count these off as the only features either, i'd be assuming a good amount of differences to each genre.

Atmosphere

One of the main reasons for different genres is that the player could choose their favored atmosphere. E.G. If a Biker Allignment Bar was maxed out you would see a mixture of these activites going on in your business: Fighting, Arm Wrestling, Simple Card Games, Lots of stumbling & mumbling drunkards, People snorting lines/taking bong hoots, Playing pool/breaking the pool cue over their opponents head when they lose, that sort of rowdy behavior.
Also you'd hear Heavy Metal/Death Metal music blasting through the entire joint.
Then a Mobster atmosphere would be completely different. In a maxed out Mobster Allignment Bar establishment you would walk in to hear classy up-beat music playing as the suited up gentlemen thugs tap their feet to it. You would see an array of gambling tables with well dressed card handlers flipping and stacking the cards in an aweing symphony as people moved chips and placed bets. There would be T.V's with sports games on and racing tracks being displayed, with all live attractions having the option to bet on. And this is just a taste of what I imagine Rockstar could do with this feature. Of course certain business' would be subject to some of these attractions, but I assume you get my point in trying to make an example of the mood for different themes.


Everything Else

This Is how I imagine it would work as well as some features none genre specific.

You buy a building for a lump sum of cash, it becomes marked on your map, then if you approach a marked design near the building (looking similar to the icon you move into to start a mission) you enter "establishing mode". From here you would choose what type of business this building will become (Bar, Strip Club, Restaurant, Porn Studio, Night Club) then have the basic options, no matter what business, to change..

- Outside wall tile type, color, any painting/graphics/flags/hangings, ect.
- Flooring tile type/color.
- Window type (would be removed if establishment was a Strip Club/Porn Studio).

From here you would go into business & genre specific changes. There would be three Allignment Bars at the top right of the screen, and as you bought certain peices for your business the bars for each allignment would go up or down. For example if it was a Bar you could begin altering the table style to have engines as the legs and biker style table tile for the top - which would increase the allignment on the biker scale. Then as you increased the Allignment scale eventually you would hit milestones, each milestone would unlock a genre specific feature for that business.

Note: You would not be able to unlock multiple genre features for a single business. After shifting through the different designs for each part of the business before choosing your first change you would have to choose which road the business is going to follow - at which point your Bar business would change into for example a "Gangster Bar". And its map marking would follow suite. Perhaps after 100% completion the ability to use all styles and unlock all features for a single business would become available.

A handful of options would be available that affect functionality of your business' as well. In list form:

Collecting: The revenue from your business' would be generated every 3 in-game days, or maybe Rockstar could pull a card from Fable II and have it be every X amount of real life hours determined by your Xbox clock. Regardless this money would be waiting for you in a Safe inside your business which you would have to manually collect (All business' would automatically come with one), or you could have the option of hiring a runner to collect this money every X amount of time and deliver it to your Safehouse of choice. If you went with the Runner option he would take 10% of the earnings.

Control: You would have the option of hiring bouncers/security guards depending on the business as well. If you neglected to hire security the environment of your business would change, and it could possibly scare off customers.

Making an Appearance: Showing up at your Business would change the atmoshpere as well. Employess would greet you on your entrance, any services involved would be free of charge, and if you were deep in the story - and therefor infamous - the business would pick up during your visit (in statistics say for every 1 min real life time you were there you made 2-5% more money for the next earning, stacking up to 25% at a maximum).

The End

If you have an opinion on something you think could be done better, something you think wouldn't work at all, have an idea to build onto mine, or just want to express your opinion on this thread in any way, reply and let me know what you think.

Mati
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Posted 04 November 2010 - 09:33 PM

Very complicated but still a great idea. A question: wasn´t it posted before or is it just me?

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 05:05 AM

don't you need a heap of permits to make a legit buisness. Unless these are underground clubs/bars, which makes sense.
keep up the good work. I really like it.

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 01:59 PM

I think it's a good idea, but might make the game a little complicated.
Seems more RPG/Simulation style than GTA.

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Posted 06 November 2010 - 05:45 AM

QUOTE (Seleets @ Nov 5 2010, 13:59)



QUOTE
Very complicated but still a great idea. A question: wasn´t it posted before or is it just me?


Yes it was, by me. This is a re-post because the original got deleted.

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I think it's a good idea, but might make the game a little complicated.
Seems more RPG/Simulation style than GTA.

I agree with you on that aspect. However the way in my mind I linked this to GTA, was how every big shot crime lord in real life always has some sort of cover up.
A guy that supports his life through illegal means, needs to have some sort of alternate source of income to claim taxes and explain his belongings. And even though it's not like the cops actually pursue you on tax evasion, it would still be a cool feature that would also make sense with the game anyways.

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Don't you need a heap of permits to make a legit business. Unless these are underground clubs/bars, which makes sense.

I don't know much on the subject, but yes most likely. The game could just ignore that realism completely though, or have some high-up allie like stubbs that takes care of those things for you.


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Posted 07 November 2010 - 04:38 AM

i really like your idea ,i hope they do do something like this in the new gta ,it adds a bit more fun to the game ,and gives us more things to spend the money on .

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#7

Posted 07 November 2010 - 05:37 AM

This thread, strikes again, anyhow, the first time you posted these ideas they got my support, and they have my support again.

Though I love how you have the fact that you can add drug dealer to you business. though you should add bust from cops if you have to many illegal features there, you should also add ways of turning the heat down, say set aside a little cash to turn down police heat via bribes. Say you set aside some of you profit and you can tell the people who handle the cash to take it to so-so cop and then the heat will go down depending on the amount of cash.

Anyhow keep up the good work.

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 08:02 AM

QUOTE (Mr.c TO the J @ Nov 7 2010, 05:37)
This thread, strikes again, anyhow, the first time you posted these ideas they got my support, and they have my support again.

Though I love how you have the fact that you can add drug dealer to you business. though you should add bust from cops if you have to many illegal features there, you should also add ways of turning the heat down, say set aside a little cash to turn down police heat via bribes. Say you set aside some of you profit and you can tell the people who handle the cash to take it to so-so cop and then the heat will go down depending on the amount of cash.

Anyhow keep up the good work.

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