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Posted 21 October 2010 - 02:17 PM

Is Sweet jealous or vindictive?
What kind of creep is Sweet?
Does he want to get CJ killed because of Brian or the threat to his power over Gove Street Families?
1. Is he a momma’s boy, what with living next door to his moms?
2. He takes CJ to Paint over the Gang Tags, says he’ll do some. But, he parks down on the Grove Streets cul-de-sac while CJ does them.
3. He Sends CJ to start a gang war in the Glen Park alone.
4. He sets CJ up to assassinate a gang leader while he (Sweet) hides in a car with the doors locked until CJ and his homies kill All the Ballas in the cemetery.

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Posted 21 October 2010 - 03:33 PM

Why not both. monocle.gif

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Posted 21 October 2010 - 04:25 PM

I say he's just a jealous wuss. Obviously CJ has the skills he doesn't, or else he would have never needed CJ to pick him and his GF up early on in the game. Then again, usually leaders of things try to stay protected and make their minions do all the hard work. Plus he's an idiot. You would think he'd have reason to suspect Big Smoke and Ryder of playing a different game long before CJ ever came back.

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Posted 21 October 2010 - 07:38 PM

1.well...in the mission big smoke(1st one)you find that big smoke is there...maybehe decided to leave the house and buy a new one,i cant find a reason....maybe he's afraid of his moms ghost =]

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Posted 21 October 2010 - 07:43 PM

Hey, that's something. Big Smoke doesn't live in the area so, What the ----is Big Smoke doing sneaking around Momma Johnson's house? and he's armed with a baseball bat?
But that's something else to discuss.

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Posted 21 October 2010 - 09:27 PM Edited by tudyboss, 21 October 2010 - 09:31 PM.

thats a hellof a mystery biggrin.gif

maybe smoke was the one who trully kill cj's moms,the green sabre was just a diversion to keep sweet and the grove busy biggrin.gif

then when cj showed up he was clearing the traces of his murder(thats why he was such cautiously acting and quckly took that chair)...
i always thougt cj's moms murder was more than an accident...

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Posted 21 October 2010 - 09:41 PM

I say he's a typical video game mission-giving character.

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Posted 21 October 2010 - 10:21 PM

i think that's stupid and senseless bored.gif
that way going all cj's known persons are mission giving characters and cj is typical player digital avatar bored.gif
ppl this isnt just a game...THIS IS SAN ANDREAS.... turn.gif

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 03:18 PM

The game gives the impression that Sweet is a very experienced gang leader, he's done stuff that we haven't seen or been told about.

Big Smoke wanted Sweet to join him and rule over the dug dealers, i think that shows how important he is when he could have been just killed. Also, CJ was inexperienced, with low stats etc he had to learn and do the dirty work.

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 06:42 PM

QUOTE (lloydo @ Oct 22 2010, 15:18)
The game gives the impression that Sweet is a very experienced gang leader, he's done stuff that we haven't seen or been told about.

That doesn't excuse the fact he couldn't protect his girlfriend from barely a handful of gangsters. You'd think he'd be strapped all the time, even when visiting his girlfriend, or rather especially when visiting his girlfriend who just so happens to live in an area dominated by a gang they're not friendly with at the moment.

Add that to the fact that there's obviously something fishy going on with Ryder and Big Smoke... So obvious you'd think either Sweet, CJ, or someone would have figured it out... Or maybe someone did. Perhaps it was CJ and Sweet's Mom who got suspicious and before she could get any definite proof... Well, we know how that line of thought would end. Still, it amazes me that Ryder and Big Smoke managed to go behind Sweet's back for so long, with Ryder being such an idiot and Big Smoke behaving so strangely...

Yeah, Sweet might be experienced, but his actions in the game show otherwise. He must be so screwed up over his Mother's death he's not thinking straight at all. Perhaps any thought that something was going on with Big Smoke and Ryder went out the window when his Mom died.

I really wanna see more of a pre-story to San Andreas. There's so much potential behind what little details we get that I'm tempted to write a story based off it myself.
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Posted 22 October 2010 - 06:49 PM

Hiii can you believe I was going to create a topic like this? I think Sweet is very strange, but sometimes he's funny, I kind like him, but I agree with you, he's VERY strange ph34r.gif

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 03:40 PM

Maybe were looking too much into the storyline. Analysing it too much may discredit the characters and overall storyline.

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 10:24 PM

Lets get this straight,I know much of the story.C.R.A.S.H killed Cj's mom.
crash made smoke sell the gang out and took ryder with him
Cj comes back to los santos and kills big smoke and tennpenny.
Simple,yes.Easy,no.

Sweet can only kill 2-4 guys but he gets killed after so he sucks.
The ONLY reason Grove street got back on its feet is because CJ came back to san andreas and anilated both the ballas and vagos.

The original grove street territories in the 1980's when CJ never left san andreas was:
all of ganton
all of willowfield
most of idlewood
all of temple
all of santa maria beach
seville boulevard
and east beach

The territories when CJ came back in 1992 was:
all of ganton
seville boulevard
all of temple
all of santa maria beach

So CJ is the major factor in the game,sweet is only the third behind woozie and cesar

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Posted 06 November 2010 - 10:30 AM

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So CJ is the major factor in the game,sweet is only the third behind woozie and cesar


Of course CJ is the main dude...because he is the main character...and SA was very movie like...what do you expect.


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Posted 14 November 2010 - 08:02 PM

QUOTE (cidamelo @ Oct 22 2010, 19:49)
Hiii can you believe I was going to create a topic like this?

We don't care. And 'Hi' is spelt with ONE I, not 3

@Ontopic

I don't really have an opinion of Sweet. He just seems to be the average mission giver. Although as stated before, the fact he couldn't kill a small amount of Gangsters makes me wonder how he is a leader of Grove Street

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Posted 05 July 2014 - 07:30 PM Edited by lil weasel, 05 July 2014 - 08:01 PM. merged topic

EDIT: << New topic merged into existing topic of same nature >>

 

I`ve replayed the story of SA more than 30-times by now, it`s a great game and all but the more i play it the more i`m getting nervous by that Sweet.

I mean the guy is a complete asshole all he does is giving CJ a hard time. He is blaming CJ for everything that happened. I mean how could CJ let Brian die for god sake. Did he leave him bleed to death without calling an ambulance or what?

CJ was in Liberty at the time so if someone`s responsibility for Brian`s death is Sweet`s and not CJ`s.

CJ exposed his life at least 10 times during Toreno`s kamikaze missions all for Sweet`s freedom and when that dumb asshole comes from jail only because of CJ, what he does? Does he show at least an inch of gratefullness? NO! He keeps giving him a hard time.

I mean is the guy really that dumb not to knowing that the only man he needs to thank to for getting out of that cell where he was stucked by the 2 lunatics in 1 piece is CJ?!

 

When CJ was in Liberty GSF went to sh*t, so obviously Sweet wasn`t that strong leader enough to make the gang powerfull. That mission was accomplished by CJ alone who turned GSF on their feet practically in a moment he got back to LS.

 

So all the hardwork was done by CJ and yet that prick Sweet keeps sh*tting on his head.

 

 

I try not to go so deep in the game and it`s characters as it is only a game but this thing with Sweet really makes me mad.

 

What do you guys think?

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 12:36 PM Edited by LeopardGecko, 06 July 2014 - 12:40 PM.

EDIT: << New topic merged into existing topic of same nature >>

 


CJ was in Liberty at the time so if someone`s responsibility for Brian`s death is Sweet`s and not CJ`s.

Actually,as much as I understood from the game dialogue CJ was still in LS when Brian was killed and he left after that(probably because Sweet was blaming him for letting Brian die),but I agree,Sweet is too ungrateful to CJ.
First of all,what could CJ do to save Brian,he´s not a doctor and as Brian died in the 80s it´s unknown if CJ even had a cellphone at the time to call the ambulance.

Second,CJ risked his life working for Tenpenny to keep Sweet alive and later for Toreno to get him out of jail.

Third,only with the help of CJ was Sweet able to reunite Grove Street Families with other Families sets and turn the Families gang into the most powerful gang in the city.In the few years without CJ,the gang broke apart and CJ helped fix it all in a few weeks/months).

And final,CJ made a few useful allies(Aztecas,Triads and Toreno)and earned a lot of money(from properties like casino,Zero´s store,garage,car showroom and being Madd Dogg´s manager),he tried to do something with his life and also help Sweet,Kendl and Cesar to get out of the ghetto,only to have Sweet reject it all and make him go from rich man to gangbanger again at the end of the game.

I think Sweet should appreciate what CJ has been doing for him and for their gang much more,with the Ballas and Vagos becoming more powerful while CJ was in LC,if CJ didn´t show up,GSF probably wouldn´t survive the 90s,all the members would probably get killed or become drug addicts.

They should have made a prequel to GTA SA set around the time Brian died,maybe that would explain things better(like what happened to Brian,what were Big Smoke,Ryder and B-Dup like before they betrayed GSF,what was Big Bear like before he became a junkie and other stuff).

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 02:03 PM

@leopardgecko you may be right, i`m not sure where exactly was CJ during Brian`s death in Liberty or in LS but as far i understood he was still in LC but i could be wrong. Either way it is not CJ`s responsibility for Brian`s death whatsoever and Sweet`s attitude towards CJ was just plain rude.

It reminds me on the attitude (OFFTOPIC) that Vic had towards Lance in VCS and Tommy towards Kent Paul in VC. 

So it`s kind of unfair.

 

BTW, i cen see you are from Croatia my brother, well i`m from your neighbour country Slovenia  :r*:

I like to see my almost fellas in this forum .

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 07:34 PM

It is quite clear in the dialog that CJ is considered libel for Brian's death by Sweet.
And, that CJ fled Los Santos to Liberty City because of Brian's death, whatever the cause of it.
Nowhere in the game is there any clue as to what actually happened, where it happened, nor how Car was involved.
We only know that Sweet blames Carl, and Carl felt bad for it.

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 09:24 PM

i f*cking hate sweet hes always talking about how cj never did anything for grove street what the hell did sweet do? sweet is always bringing cj down even though half of his problems wouldn't happen if he did what cj does.


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Posted 06 July 2014 - 09:29 PM

more importantly: Sweet is a street name, Sean is his real name. his full street name would be "Sweet Johnson". think about that for a sec.

don't get it? here's a hint.

Spoiler


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Posted 06 July 2014 - 10:33 PM Edited by lil weasel, 06 July 2014 - 10:35 PM.

more importantly: Sweet is a street name,

OH! MY GAWD! I bet nobody else, in all the years the game has been out noticed that. What astounding pre-teen/college humour this is... :^: or the hundreds of other sexual themed items in the game.
AND... it certainly goes to explain why Sweet is such a creep.

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 04:22 PM

 

more importantly: Sweet is a street name,

OH! MY GAWD! I bet nobody else, in all the years the game has been out noticed that. What astounding pre-teen/college humour this is... :^: or the hundreds of other sexual themed items in the game.
AND... it certainly goes to explain why Sweet is such a creep.

 

I guess they fed him Sweet Johnson in jail to get such a name.


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Posted 08 July 2014 - 01:26 PM

That Sweet is so f*cking retarded it makes me madd, i could just kill him if that wouldnt stop my game progress. And CJ is a little bit of pussy too at the times i mean how come he just doesn`t go madd when that moron gives him a hard time, if i were CJ i would call on Toreno to come over and tell to Sweet`s face all the things CJ did for saving his ungratefull ass out of jail.

I wonder what would he said then..oh i know he would said that all that sh*t he was doing for himself.

 

son of a bitch!! This got to be the most get-on-my-f*cking-organs non-antagonist (name?) from all GTA 3D and HD era..He just feels so ungratefull, that makes me wanna go and puke.


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Posted 08 July 2014 - 01:33 PM

Oh and another thing, at the start he phones CJ and tell him he needs to pack on some muscles to build a "gangsta physique"..i mean shiss that`s the guy to talk to, like he got any muscles he looks like vegan gym-guy while CJ when you buffed him out to 100% looks like a Ronnie Coleman for god´s sake.

I don`s see any muscle mass on Sweet so he is the last guy to talk about "gangsta physique"


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Posted 08 July 2014 - 02:36 PM

Sweet's older than CJ and i guess he's done heavy sh*t in his time too.


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Posted 08 July 2014 - 02:38 PM Edited by TheFlareEntercounter, 08 July 2014 - 02:38 PM.

Does Sweet/Sean even know what CJ has been up to while he was in jail? Why did the plot writers completely disregard all of CJ's accomplishments at the end of the game?


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 04:30 PM

Sweet was a straight up OG what the hell you talkin about?


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 05:13 PM Edited by Deji, 09 July 2014 - 05:15 PM.

I'm not sure if this is serious or not...
 

Is Sweet jealous or vindictive?

He's hood.
 

What kind of creep is Sweet?

He's a real creep when it comes to the ladies. See "Sweet's Girl".
 

Does he want to get CJ killed because of Brian or the threat to his power over Gove Street Families?

No, he wants CJ to prove himself because CJ "walked out" when things were bad.
 

1. Is he a momma’s boy, what with living next door to his moms?

Grove Street is where he grew up and the heart of Grove Street Families, and there are very few other houses that he could have lived in, really. The fact he has his own house at all is actually pretty impressive.
 

2. He takes CJ to Paint over the Gang Tags, says he’ll do some. But, he parks down on the Grove Streets cul-de-sac while CJ does them.

He does one to show CJ how to do it, because CJ's his little brother and needs to be shown how to do everything, obviously. Then he (apparently) does another area while CJ follows a tutorial. But he could've been lying because when I checked every other area in Los Santos, there wasn't a GSF tag in sight, hmm...
 

3. He Sends CJ to start a gang war in the Glen Park alone.

I'm sure he's with CJ in spirit... while with his "hood rat" :p

"It's time for you to prove yourself..."
 

4. He sets CJ up to assassinate a gang leader while he (Sweet) hides in a car with the doors locked until CJ and his homies kill All the Ballas in the cemetery.

Los Sepulcros? Sweet's with CJ and other grove members killing the ballas, though everyone but CJ sucks at shooting.

"At a funeral?!"


The premises for his missions aren't exactly amazingly written, which doesn't do him justice. But when it comes to the rest of his dialogue, you just learn he's ignorant about "walking out" on the hood.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 05:37 PM

 

He takes CJ to Paint over the Gang Tags, says he’ll do some. But, he parks down on the Grove Streets cul-de-sac while CJ does them.

He does one to show CJ how to do it, because CJ's his little brother and needs to be shown how to do everything, obviously. Then he (apparently) does another area while CJ follows a tutorial. But he could've been lying because when I checked every other area in Los Santos, there wasn't a GSF tag in sight, hmm...

 

When you follow Sweet he drives down to Grove street and parks until CJ finishes the six tags.





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