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#31

Posted 19 November 2010 - 10:28 PM

QUOTE (Ats. @ Nov 19 2010, 18:09)
To successfully pull it off, you must  have some singing abilities. It isn't that easy.

Keyword-- some. I'm sure almost anyone can have their singing auto-tuned to sound well. There is, however, a way to decrease auto-tune's intensity and perceptibility, which tends to be ignored. In my opinion, it just sounds horrible when you can obviously tell a person's voice is enhanced.

I won't bother to get into the uses of the first forms of music; this isn't music education class. But I will defend that music is an art and means of expression above all else. Only if people were entertained did musicians and composers actually make a living!

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 11:27 PM

Really? Auto tune isn't?
The video Charlie bit my finger was auto tuned and it actually sounded like one of the songs in pop radio

a non musical purpose video actually sounds like a song.

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 11:50 PM

QUOTE (RobsEpicFret @ Nov 19 2010, 19:27)
Really? Auto tune isn't?
The video Charlie bit my finger was auto tuned and it actually sounded like one of the songs in pop radio

a non musical purpose video actually sounds like a song.

I must have supernatural hearing or something then, 'cause I can clearly tell it's been enhanced when it jumps from pitch to pitch. As I've previously stated, the only form of it that I sort of "support" is when it's used to turn speech into a song, usually for humor. Whether the video sounds like a song or not isn't the issue here.

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 03:14 AM

Well today's music beats the 70s and 80s era stuff

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 03:18 AM

QUOTE (NickRad @ Nov 20 2010, 13:14)
Well today's music beats the 70s and 80s era stuff

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 05:03 AM

In my opinion, I'm glad people like different music to me. The music industry would be boring, if it wasn't for differing music tastes. I'll admit MOST of my music is, "mainstream". I have no shame in that because I know that I like the music for what it is. I'm also not limited to just one genre either, I like all sorts of music, but I do prefer punk influenced music. Everyone likes different styles of music, I have no idea why, but it's the way the world is and I like it like that anyway. I really hate this whole anti-mainstream mentality alot of people seem to have, particuly on this site. If someone doesn't like the same style of music as you, why would you care? And GTABlackKnight, you, are a moron...

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 09:11 AM

QUOTE (NickRad @ Nov 19 2010, 22:14)
Well today's music beats the 70s and 80s era stuff

...really? Wow. You need to have your head examined.

As for modern music, check out the new Stone Temple Pilots album. Only album I enjoyed this year.

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 10:51 AM

Vanilla Shake I like Stone Temple Pilots too!!

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 11:04 AM

QUOTE (Wreckless Jake @ Oct 1 2010, 10:51)
QUOTE (OnePiece @ Sep 24 2010, 03:04)
GOOD music has only existed underground for the last 20-30 years, and that's where it will remain. Sure every once in a blue moon something actually worthwhile gets some airplay, but its quickly swamped by the tidal wave of bullsh*t that is todays music "industry". If your looking for good music, the radio or TV is not where you're going to find it. The bright side is that there will always be kids around the world being creating new and good music, you just have to look a little hard to find it is all.

This.

I go to underground DIY gigs and festivals...thats why I don't give a sh*t about whats on the radio or how much of a ponse Justin Beiber is or how sh*te Lady Gaga is, because I boycotted all of that commercial bullsh*t when I was a kid. Instead of watching the X-Factor every week or going to pay £30-£50 to see some sh*t like U2...get down to your local music scene and pay to see something decent.

This is a prime example as to why I just can't help but laugh in the faces of those who have their heads rammed so far up the corporations arses that they come out with absurd comments like "Punk is dead"....no it isn't, it is fully alive where it belongs, and that is in the underground. The Punk scene is probabally the most authentic, without a doubt, thats why I love it and hate anything commercial.

You're being way too general. Just because something is 'popular' and 'mainstream' doesn't mean that it automatically is sh*t, just like because something is punk and 'underground', it's automatically good. You have to take things song by song; some you'll like, some you won't like, and even if you don't like a particular genre because it's "all capitalist and commercialised" (which, in the end, isn't a bad thing), you still have to recognise if there's talent there. Lady Gaga would be well-respected if she was singing slow pop-ballads which actually sound relaxing to listen to, instead of the teenie-bopper sh*t she's releasing at the moment.

Oh, and please don't include U2 with Lady Gaga, Ke$ha or Justin Bieber. Please.

NickRad: lol. That's all I have to say. lol.

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 12:21 PM

QUOTE (Stefche @ Nov 20 2010, 11:04)
Lady Gaga would be well-respected if she was singing slow pop-ballads which actually sound relaxing to listen to, instead of the teenie-bopper sh*t she's releasing at the moment.

I know this is becoming somewhat of a tired gimmick for me in this section but anyway, she does some slow songs on her albums: Speechless and Brown Eyes.

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 12:32 PM

The problem with music today is the lack of spectacle and exhibitionism. Everything is centred around being 'real' and 'relatable'.
I long for the days when singers lived fast, died young and drove sportscars into a hotel swimming pool. I could actually get behind modern music a lot more if the personalities involved were so self-destructive, crazy and charismatic that it enlivened their work.

But no, we want 'real' people who sit on a stool, wear a plaid shirt, look like they haven't shaved for a while and sing about how a grey October morning is like a broken f*cking heart. It's awful. Music needs the odd loose cannon. Lady GaGa tries his best, God bless him, and his music is acually pretty cool. But we need to go fully beyond this obsession with being 'real'.

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 12:59 PM

This is a good song fur summarizing the music industry in 2010.

'Pop Song' - Jon Lajoie

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 07:22 PM

QUOTE (Typhus @ Nov 20 2010, 08:32)
But no, we want 'real' people who sit on a stool, wear a plaid shirt, look like they haven't shaved for a while and sing about how a grey October morning is like a broken f*cking heart.

In the whole "real" category you mentioned there, I think it's more about "love" and "teen drama." I can't tell you how many times I'm in the car with my girlfriend (who listens ONLY to the radio), and on comes a song with some male vocalist, with a feminine voice, singing about a girl. Lay off the word, "she" (talking about bands like All Time Low here).

@Mr Vice City, Jon Lajoie is a genius.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 02:03 AM

Lady Gaga is not a bad singer compared to others in the radio
I Actually enjoy Poker Face and Bad Romance others are just casual

Linkin Park started sucking every since the rapper start to rap less in albums
Chester Live sounds Horrible

Jay-Z is kinda old school but hes new songs are way better than Lil Wayne's i like Jay-Z and Eminem Equal

Slash's first solo album is Really cool, it has fergie in it she sang paradise city
I Think she should stick to Rock instead of the new Black Eye Peas

Ne-yo is not that bad either i like his songs

But 60'S 70'S 80'S Were the Best for me

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 09:15 PM

One of the problems that goes along with a lack of experimentation is, I feel, the coherence of commercial and experimental musicians alike to the guidelines of popular music. People today have grown so used to hearing certain things and expecting a strict song form to be followed.

Musicians who are into experimentation communicate with each other; they're not too accepted or well-known by the music industry or mainstream listeners. As opposed to writing a piece in, say, a few days, these musicians take much longer to do so. If they play their piece at a concert and they/people like it, they win. If not, that's probably their first and last time playing it. It's all trial and error.

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 09:57 PM

i see nothing wrong with her
she sings she has a good voice the instrumentals in bad romance we really cool for me

I'm not even a Pop fan
I'm a Classic rock and metal listener

You tell me whats wrong with her.

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Posted 24 November 2010 - 03:22 AM

I agree. Quite a few chicks in pop are pretty good, its hard for a chick to sound like a douche. I happen to enjoy some even though I have a disdain for almost any song I hear on the radio moto_whistle.gif , ah, guilty pleasures.

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Posted 25 November 2010 - 07:53 AM

That's definitely a very interesting theory. You're probably right!

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 05:59 AM

QUOTE (Robinski @ Nov 20 2010, 12:21)
QUOTE (Stefche @ Nov 20 2010, 11:04)
Lady Gaga would be well-respected if she was singing slow pop-ballads which actually sound relaxing to listen to, instead of the teenie-bopper sh*t she's releasing at the moment.

I know this is becoming somewhat of a tired gimmick for me in this section but anyway, she does some slow songs on her albums: Speechless and Brown Eyes.

both which suck, just like the rest of everysong she does.

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 06:06 AM

Hold on - 'music today'?

When was there not sh*t music all over the top 40 lists? What's 'wrong' with music today is the same thing that's always been wrong with it, and every other form of commercial entertainment: the more it appeals to the lowest common denominator, the more popular it is.

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 06:33 AM

QUOTE (Ats. @ Nov 19 2010, 22:09)
Auto-tune is actually just a voice effect. To successfully pull it off, you must have some singing abilities. It isn't that easy.

No, you really don't. There is a reason you can take any random spoken word statement and make it musical with autotune.

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 08:24 PM Edited by Ats., 28 November 2010 - 08:29 PM.

QUOTE (Mike Tequeli @ Nov 28 2010, 08:33)
QUOTE (Ats. @ Nov 19 2010, 22:09)
Auto-tune is actually just a voice effect. To successfully pull it off, you must  have some singing abilities. It isn't that easy.

No, you really don't. There is a reason you can take any random spoken word statement and make it musical with autotune.

Ahh, that's different kind of use for autotune. The one where sounds are put on a certain pitch. Singers don't use that, they just add an effect on their voice. And that doesn't make a random spoken word musical

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QUOTE (Robinski @ Nov 20 2010, 12:21)
QUOTE (Stefche @ Nov 20 2010, 11:04)
Lady Gaga would be well-respected if she was singing slow pop-ballads which actually sound relaxing to listen to, instead of the teenie-bopper sh*t she's releasing at the moment.

I know this is becoming somewhat of a tired gimmick for me in this section but anyway, she does some slow songs on her albums: Speechless and Brown Eyes.
both which suck, just like the rest of everysong she does.


Please get the f*ck out of the forums and take your fail with you. Why do you even post? It's not like anybody would take you seriously.

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 08:57 PM

QUOTE (Otter @ Nov 28 2010, 06:06)
Hold on - 'music today'? 

When was there not sh*t music all over the top 40 lists?  What's 'wrong' with music today is the same thing that's always been wrong with it, and every other form of commercial entertainment: the more it appeals to the lowest common denominator, the more popular it is.

Exactly. The only reason why music appears poor to people today is because you are being subjected to all of it. If a song/artist is awful, then they may have one hit, but nobody will remember them in 35 years time. I can guarantee you that for every song which you like from whatever era that is apparently better than today's stuff there have been 30 odd songs which were sh*te and have been buried in the sands of time, only to be dug up again at Christmas parties, or at weddings for all of the people who you know as "The Oldies" to dance the night away to.

The reason why songs are so powerful is because you can associate them with events in your life and as such rather than just being musical notes accompanied by peoples' voices they become windows into your past. I can almost certainly say that barring a vicious and sudden attack of alzheimers you'll remember the song which accompanied your first dance with your wife, or the song that was number one when your children were born. For me that would be East 17 - Stay Another Day. In 20 years maybe you will hear "One Time" on the radio and you'll get an attack of nostalgia and will remember the time when you joined a facebook group to get him castrated, or the time when you watched a video of him getting blown up by a grenade and laughed so hard your jaw started to ache. Songs have the power to convey incredible amounts of emotion, which can be bottled up for years, only to be brought flooding back to the surface by a song on the radio. A clear example of this would be Christmas songs, everyone loves them as they convey the feelings of childhoods past under the tree, but you pretend to hate them because they are overplayed from about November-time onwards.

I am of the peruasion that certain people are preconditioned by experiences to be reached by a certain type of song moreso than others of different genres or even of the same genre. Some people like screaming and heavy drumming, some people like deep black voices like those of Aretha Franklin and others like her. It is only natural for people to gravitate towards songs which make them feel good, and these preconditionings for ballads or metalcore just give you a nudge in the right direction. I have tried to introduce my ears to different genres which my ears didn't get on with and I can only describe the feeling as being beat up badly by someone who you want to be your friend. You aren't going to want to be their friend if they broke your nose, and you aren't going to like Wishmaster if you can't hear the lyrics beneath all of the superficial screaming and bullsh*t like that.

Certain genres fit different types of music, and those preconditionings which I mentioned above certainly go some way to explaining why certain people piss and moan incessantly about musical tastes. So what if songs you like aren't in the top 40 or the Hot 100? Just because you aren't getting spoonfed good tunes doesn't mean that they don't exist; the musical business isn't collapsing, far from it, so get off of your arse and find some music to listen to which you like. It isn't the producers problems; if people want Take That and Lady Gaga then they aren't going to pump loads of money into Soul music are they? That would be akin to writing a book in Votic, a language which only 20 people speak worldwide, your audience is automatically exponentially smaller than an English or Spanish book, so you might as well not try. Not good business sense.

QUOTE (GTABlackKnight @ Nov 28 2010, 05:59)
both which suck, just like the rest of everysong she does.

You should die in a fire. Not because of your opinion which I respect, although I am rather fond of Speechless myself Lady Gaga-mania passed me by somewhat. People who make sweeping judgements about particular artists or even particular genres should be confined to holes in the ground and left to rot. At the end of the day she is laughing at people like you from up there in showbiz heaven, do you think that she gives a f*ck? You can't even use punctuation properly and yet you expect to be allowed an opinion? Record companies love people like you because while you moan they are off selling sh*tloads of Justin Beiber songs to pre-teen girls in Russia. Face it, Lady G is here to stay and she doesn't give a toss about what you think or who you like as long as her albums keep going platinum.

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 09:13 PM

payola, ghost-writers, auto-tune (which anyone can use, u can even pick the notes u want it to hit...very easy), people now-a-day play music less - not as many musicians in the world.


also, when something is shoved down your throat, you tend to gradually like it or at least tolerate it for the people that actually do like it.


Otter summed it up pretty well, but i think music 35 years ago, the cheezy-poppy music was still better than today's because they still have to have musicians play it (most of the time). now u can just call one guy who makes a beat and call it a day.

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 12:08 PM Edited by NickRad, 29 November 2010 - 12:12 PM.

Don't shoot me but the 60s to the 80s were the worst years of music
Remember it's my opinion

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 12:20 PM

and its a terrible opinion. go die some where your body wont stink up the place.

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 01:35 PM

QUOTE (NickRad @ Nov 29 2010, 07:08)
Don't shoot me but the 60s to the 80s were the worst years of music
Remember it's my opinion

And please explain. I'd like to hear this.

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 03:37 PM

QUOTE (NickRad @ Nov 29 2010, 12:08)
Don't shoot me but the 60s to the 80s were the worst years of music
Remember it's my opinion

And let me guess, you're into modern mainstream music, right?

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Posted 30 November 2010 - 12:35 AM

60's to 80's gotta be one of the greatest era in music
theres no reason you could say that
you probally think 80's music is some corny disco crap like they show in disney

Once i was watching Phineas and Ferb with my lil cousin
and there was this robots dancing and singing some robot song
and their sister said:Oh i Hate Music from the 80's

I'm 15 and used to like modern msuic and tought old music was boring like they showed on cartoons
but then i found out they weren't and got really addicted to listening to 60's 70's 80's classic rock,Jazz,Rap,Mariachi,Blues,Pop
burned the shirts of the artist i tought were great but are actually talentless scums.

well months ago i heard this two nu metal bands:5 Finger Death Punch and Godsmack.
They both sound awful i couldn't tell which one is which both sound the same
But Not Nu Metal bands are bad
System of a dowm

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Posted 30 November 2010 - 05:02 AM

No i'm not into this mainstream junk believe me I'm not. It's just that most in that time just sucked and sounded the same. The only bands I like from those eras are Queen, Bon Jovi, ACDC and Rush.




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