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Posted 06 February 2010 - 06:41 PM

Why not?
I love Russia, and I would really like a GTA in Moscow, or in Soviet Russia, during the disintegration... (90's or just before)
It's a special period, the reorganization, a new Russia, a new Moscow...
What do you think?

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 07:38 PM

Mafia, supiscious new wealthy people, high poverty, declining population, arriving of many immigrant from alll the former empire...
A GTA city based on Moscow during ot just after the fall of the Soviet, why not ?

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 08:37 PM

The problem with all of these European/Asian cities is that it's a different language. Moscow would be a sick setting to play in and would probably have a kick ass story but it's stupid little inconveniences like that that just make it impossible.

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 08:42 PM

QUOTE (Minatoku @ Feb 6 2010, 19:38)
Mafia, supiscious new wealthy people, high poverty, declining population, arriving of many immigrant from alll the former empire...
A GTA city based on Moscow during ot just after the fall of the Soviet, why not ?

icon14.gif agreed.

like most of these topics, its never gonna happen. No, sorry, I am mistaken, It aint gonna happen before 2015 at least most probably.

BUT-I like this idea. would certainly make for an interesting storyline and location. I would go for st petersburg, moscow and a third city (novosibirsk, samara or kazan maybe) seperated by countryside and mountains.

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 09:04 PM

If GTA were to take place in the soviet union the BEST place would be Berlin. You could see the West side and the freedom and nightlife. And the east and see the poverty and stravation. It could be from Germany to Moscow during the fall of the wall. That would be an epic adventour, you could even see the Bellic family in Yugoslavia. But any other time period in Eastern Eurpoe wouldn't work.

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 09:14 PM

I'd be very VERY happy with a GTA set in Russia...so long as it ties in with GTA4 in some way. With the big Ruissian influence in this game I don't see how that could be a problem.

I think it would be cool. I know RockStar like to change the name of the place their games are set so anyone got any suggestions for the name of a Moscow-based city?

Bring on the Ruskies!

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 09:21 PM

QUOTE (Minatoku @ Feb 6 2010, 15:38)
A GTA city based on Moscow during ot just after the fall of the Soviet, why not ?

That's what I was thinking. A Soviet Union GTA would not work. But a post collapse one could. Not necessarily immediately post collapse, either. Situation is still fairly turbulent there, and there is more than enough for a deep story. Plus some new buildings and higher variety of vehicles might make it more interesting as a GTA setting. But both the mid 90's and modern day would have their own pluses.

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 09:45 PM

I like when Dimitri Rascalov or Bulgarin speak Russian in GTA IV, it is a beautiful language !

Indeed, Berlin would be very good. In the beginning, West is the only part of the city we can visit, then a mission where you can see the wall fall !

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 10:30 PM Edited by Jayd101, 06 February 2010 - 10:38 PM.

QUOTE (Rocks-tar @ Feb 6 2010, 18:41)
Why not?
I love Russia, and I would really like a GTA in Moscow, or in Soviet Russia, during the disintegration... (90's or just before)
It's a special period, the reorganization, a new Russia, a new Moscow...
What do you think?

As good as it might sound, I don't think it will happen... well not for a long time anyway.

I think GTA Moscow would be great though, a whole new country and Protaganist

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 01:27 AM

Я Люблю Россию and I would love a GTA in Russia

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 02:21 AM

Well as usually, you seam to forget that GTA is all about the media and cultural references. You got to see the world through the eyes of the media to understand the GTA universe, and through those pair of eyes, Russia is nothing but a threatening communist state, talked about, by conservative nuts, and fragile evil villains.

There’s simply not enough source material to base a 100+ hour GTA on Russia. A GTA needs more then ugly accents, drugs and a revolting city to make a good game.


Besides that, the languish barrier is Massive.


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Posted 07 February 2010 - 02:32 AM

Russia is cool; in the past few years I've come to realize (thru the internet) that Russia would be a really interesting place to go. And I speak of reality, not vidoegames wink.gif

I want to see St. Petersburg and Moscow in my lifetime.

There's been way too much propaganda, at least in the United States, that always writes off half the world as "filthy commies" and the lack of anything substantial in the propaganda led me to believe that these places weren't even genuinely bad.

Maybe some shady Russian government tortured people, killed people, did a lot of evil things --- but so does the American government no?


As much as hate to admit it Mortalhuman, most of my old views of places came from movies. Example of Eastern Europe for me was that film with Owen Wilson (the man who's always partnered with Ben Stiller lol) Behind Enemy Lines. Virgin forests and gray skies, civil war, and bombed-out villages, was basically all I ever heard of Eastern Europe.

And Russia, all they ever told my young self was "filthy commies" and "evil criminals." Okay, what's a commie? Apparently my 7 year old self was on a need to know basis and I didn't need to know, because nobody ever explained what communist actually meant. They just said Democracy was teh best!!!11 and needs to be taught to the rest of the world because it's America's duty to save the rest of the world's savages from themselves suicidal.gif


Propaganda in it's purest form. American students don't need to know what Socialism means they just need to know that it's evil and Democracy is the only "good" government.


If it weren't for wikipedia and the internet in general, I'd probably still have no idea because schools in the United States only teach to the "tests" that all schools have to pass to receive funding suicidal.gif


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In short, a GTA in Russia would spark my interest infinity more than GTA in Vice City. And to Mortalhuman and followers:

Media is unimportant, the gameplay, setting, immersion, AI, physics, mission design, and narrative are miles (or kilometers lol) above some half-assed impersonation of... whoever.

If the game were "culturally relevant" or even real social commentary they'd bring up 9/11 (beyond civilians screaming 'terrorists' run away) , Bush, the war in the Middle East, Automobile Dependency (yeah, shameless promotion of my thread lol), actual racism, crappy schools, people living off welfare, etc...

The ''wingit software" obviously Powerpoint made me laugh tho biggrin.gif

Really tho, most of jokes in GTA IV are weak, and just random BS, nothing compared to real issues in the United States.


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Sorry for rambling on, I think the basic message is that GTA can be set anywhere, and a few stereotypes about American's don't make the game good. All those jokes make the game about 3% better, gameplay, AI, physics, and gameworld are what's most important. And narrative.

Niko and Roman, and maybe their family should be mentioned, but never shown. Maybe you briefly see a younger Bulgarin, but the world isn't a small place, and the chance of running into the same Russian or Eastern European people from GTA IV would be exceptionally thin.



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Posted 07 February 2010 - 05:48 AM

It's a cool idea, but my only problem is the issue of diversity. I mean cities like New York, Miami, London, Los Angeles, etc; are full of different types of people which offer the oppotunity for all different kinds of characters, my biggest concern with a city like Moscow, or even Tokyo which has been mentioned quite a bit, is that I would assume that atleast 90% of the characters are going to be Russians or Japanese. And what gangs would you have other than the Russian Mafiya? I mean I know that there are a number of people from former Soviet Republics and Warsaw Pact nations that live in Moscow (I have a friend that is Azerbaijani, but grew up in Moscow before moving to the states), but is it really comparable to somewhere like New York or London in diversity? (I don't mean that rhetorically, I really have no clue) I guess personally, going back to the GTAIII days that was always something I really liked about the game, that you had Chinatown and Hepburn Heights and you had the Mafia and the Southside Hoods, etc. That said I know a lot of people have mentioned the possibility of a multicity San Andreas style game based in Europe... if that were the case I think the inclusion of a Moscow based city would be really cool, and most likely offer a great contrast to the western cities (London, Paris, etc) that would also be in the game.

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 06:22 AM

QUOTE (akavari112 @ Feb 6 2010, 12:37)
The problem with all of these European/Asian cities is that it's a different language. Moscow would be a sick setting to play in and would probably have a kick ass story but it's stupid little inconveniences like that that just make it impossible.

You only need to know how to read, because Rockstar decided to give the games (da da da daaaa!) Subtitles!

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 07:31 AM

Why does it need to be GTA?

I absolutely love what they're doing with Red Dead Redemption. While simply calling it a western GTA isn't doing it justice, it'd be absurd not to see the similarities between the two. Hell, at first glance it LOOKS like GTA IV, down to the hud and character placement in the frame.

I think they should branch out in this method. Have each GTA establish the look and the engine, then use the other franchises to build it into unique settings with unique and different gameplay styles, but the overall feel would be similar.

In this way, similar to how Red Dead Redemption moved to the western, why don't they create another game that is set in Moscow or Berlin?

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 08:43 AM

QUOTE (Thatguy238 @ Feb 7 2010, 07:31)
Why does it need to be GTA?

I absolutely love what they're doing with Red Dead Redemption. While simply calling it a western GTA isn't doing it justice, it'd be absurd not to see the similarities between the two. Hell, at first glance it LOOKS like GTA IV, down to the hud and character placement in the frame.

I think they should branch out in this method. Have each GTA establish the look and the engine, then use the other franchises to build it into unique settings with unique and different gameplay styles, but the overall feel would be similar.

In this way, similar to how Red Dead Redemption moved to the western, why don't they create another game that is set in Moscow or Berlin?

Hmmm... so a new R* game that could use the GTAIV engine, but wouldn't be GTA and could be set in Russia or Berlin... maybe this is what we'll get from Agent?

This makes me think of another idea I had as well based sorta on Just Cause, which I feel, like SR, was overly not that great of a game, but it did introduce some really cool ideas. Basically the idea is a sandbox game set in a war... rather than being a gangster you'd be a soldier in WW2 or Vietnam or something. It would allow for more squad based combat as well as plenty of tanks and what not.

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 08:53 AM

Russia is great idea, but only, every pedestrian would be russian and for english players it would be hard.
But anyway, it would be great in 90's, when russian economy was in deep sh*t and criminal rating was high.

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 09:18 AM

QUOTE (Mafioso86 @ Feb 7 2010, 08:43)
QUOTE (Thatguy238 @ Feb 7 2010, 07:31)
Why does it need to be GTA?

I absolutely love what they're doing with Red Dead Redemption.  While simply calling it a western GTA isn't doing it justice, it'd be absurd not to see the similarities between the two.  Hell, at first glance it LOOKS like GTA IV, down to the hud and character placement in the frame.

I think they should branch out in this method.  Have each GTA establish the look and the engine, then use the other franchises to build it into unique settings with unique and different gameplay styles, but the overall feel would be similar.

In this way, similar to how Red Dead Redemption moved to the western, why don't they create another game that is set in Moscow or Berlin?

Hmmm... so a new R* game that could use the GTAIV engine, but wouldn't be GTA and could be set in Russia or Berlin... maybe this is what we'll get from Agent?

This makes me think of another idea I had as well based sorta on Just Cause, which I feel, like SR, was overly not that great of a game, but it did introduce some really cool ideas. Basically the idea is a sandbox game set in a war... rather than being a gangster you'd be a soldier in WW2 or Vietnam or something. It would allow for more squad based combat as well as plenty of tanks and what not.

Its not the IV engine... Its the Rockstar Advanced Game Engine (RAGE). That is the engine they will be doing most if not all of their console/pc games on for the foreseeable future.

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 09:28 AM Edited by Thatguy238, 07 February 2010 - 09:38 AM.

QUOTE (jnzooger @ Feb 7 2010, 09:18)
Its not the IV engine... Its the Rockstar Advanced Game Engine (RAGE). That is the engine they will be doing most if not all of their console/pc games on for the foreseeable future.


I'm pretty sure RAGE is the same engine that was used in IV.

QUOTE (Mafioso86)
This makes me think of another idea I had as well based sorta on Just Cause, which I feel, like SR, was overly not that great of a game, but it did introduce some really cool ideas. Basically the idea is a sandbox game set in a war... rather than being a gangster you'd be a soldier in WW2 or Vietnam or something. It would allow for more squad based combat as well as plenty of tanks and what not.


I've actually thought about a similar concept. Basically, in a wartime situation where it is on enemy turf, there's the possibility of getting stranded and having to scavenge around, fending for oneself. I actually imagined this in a futuristic sci-fi setting but a Vietnam setting could work just as well.

Imagine if you were with your squad for the first bits of the game, and you eventually become stranded from them. From there, the game would basically have you exploring around. You could partake in battles here and there, do odd jobs for other squads, but your main goal would be to find out what happened to the rest of your squad and to attempt to link up with them. Missions could easily vary, having you deliver things from base to base, man turrets, partake in battles, save captured soldiers, drive military trucks, etc. And Vietnam was such a lush jungle and with the inclusion of Vietcong traps I think the openworld setting could work rather well. Bases could be savepoints (like safehouses in IV), too biggrin.gif

I guess it's a bit far-fetched that a soldier would be able to wander around freely without the confines of direct orders, but for the sake of the game I think it'd be best if they were given that option.

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 09:29 AM

In Soviet Russia, car steals you.

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 09:30 AM

Sounds very good, I think it is more then possible smile.gif It would be awesome, plus the Russian Mafia is the biggest criminal organisation in the world, or one of and the story would be really deep. Bring on Europe!

To naysayers I say its more likely then "lets go back to Vice City" or "lets go back to gangsta San Andreas" lol -_- I certainly would be disappointed in the amount of creativity right there.

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 08:09 AM

QUOTE (Thatguy238 @ Feb 7 2010, 09:28)
QUOTE (jnzooger @ Feb 7 2010, 09:18)
Its not the IV engine... Its the Rockstar Advanced Game Engine (RAGE). That is the engine they will be doing most if not all of their console/pc games on for the foreseeable future.


I'm pretty sure RAGE is the same engine that was used in IV.

Exactly. IV used RAGE, not the "IV Engine". Thus any games that from Rockstar will use RAGE, not the "IV Engine".




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