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Posted 17 May 2013 - 07:07 AM

QUOTE (xI Jakk Ix @ Saturday, May 11 2013, 13:06)
QUOTE (DneroJohnson @ Saturday, May 11 2013, 11:10)
Still wondering why most people recommended me the 670, instead of the 680. Is it really not much of a difference?

The 7970 GHz Edition is also a card worth considering. It's actually faster than the GTX 680 in a lot of games and benchmarks.

The problem with the 7xxx series of cards is even though the physical hardware is faster and they can manage some benchmarks better, even on the latest drivers they have terrible issues with frame latency. It's something that AMD have been working on with experimental drivers (not yet released, mitigate a great deal of the problem with the HD7990) but given this kind of frame latency in comparison to NVidia cards:

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I don't really think you can recommend them currently.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 07:28 AM

The issue you're reffering to is related to Crossfire and dual GPU cards - not every card from HD7000 series.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 09:04 AM

QUOTE (yojo2 @ Friday, May 17 2013, 08:28)
The issue you're reffering to is related to Crossfire and dual GPU cards - not every card from HD7000 series.

Actually AMD have all but admitted it is a problem with the way their drivers handle data allocation to memory controllers under load. It's been well known in all single card HD7000 series GPUs for about a year know. AMD have pre-alpa drivers said to mitigate it and have implemented a new architecture for memory controllers on the 8000 series cards.

Example of latency spikes on a single HD7970 running BF3
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Frame latency spikes seen in a benchmark involving three generations of AMD single GPUs-
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Posted 17 May 2013 - 03:47 PM

I heard about those latency issues. I also heard about the 'Prototype' drivers that were being used in some benchmarks by Tom's Hardware that showed next to no frame latency, on a 7990, a card with already huge latency, so AMD are obviously going somewhere. 7970 GHz Edition is obviously not terrible though due to the amount of people that use AMD cards to their satisfaction. Nvidia are generally more popular so buying one of those is generally safer, as well as the benefit of much better support from Nvidia themselves and the thousands of other people who chose Nvidia over AMD.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 07:13 PM

Nvidia will be releasing the GTX700 series soon. According to the news hwardware site, May 23rd.
It's near as the GTX Titan, not bad and it costs around $499/$599.
Not bad, a GTX780 near as the GTX Titan for the half of the price.
Glad I waited so I can stay with the time and will get the GTX780 when building a new pc.

Nvidia GTX cards might be expensive but I prefer Nvidia over AMD.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 07:16 PM

GTX 780 sounds likes gods gift in terms of value compared to the Titan. Was going to get a 7970 GHz Edition but now will wait for this. Titan was awful value IMO. Especially since the better performing 690 was actually slightly cheaper here in the UK, even if it is a dual GPU Card.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 07:28 PM

QUOTE (xI Jakk Ix @ Friday, May 17 2013, 19:16)
GTX 780 sounds likes gods gift in terms of value compared to the Titan. Was going to get a 7970 GHz Edition but now will wait for this. Titan was awful value IMO. Especially since the better performing 690 was actually slightly cheaper here in the UK, even if it is a dual GPU Card.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 07:41 PM

AFAIK they've not released any benchmarks for the GTX700 series. It's also an evolution, rather than a revolution, of the existing architecture, so I find the idea that the fastest single-card solution will match the fasted dual one of the previous generation pretty questionable. Expect a jump of 10 in performance from the *70 downward (so GTX770 matching a 680 et cetera). Anyway, the GTX Titan isn't that much faster than a GTX680 in the real world.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 07:42 PM

QUOTE (SilverRST @ Friday, May 17 2013, 14:13)
It's near as the GTX Titan, not bad and it costs around $499/$599.

That's not what I heard. The sources I read were saying that the 780 outperforms the Titan and is going to be in a very similar price range to it, and that the 770 is going to be only slightly worse/cheaper. You're a few hundred dollars low on that price point.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 07:56 PM

The GTX780 is slightly faster than the GTX Titan:
http://videocardz.co...-specifications

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 08:08 PM

QUOTE (SilverRST @ Friday, May 17 2013, 20:56)
The GTX780 is slightly faster than the GTX Titan:
http://videocardz.co...-specifications

Nothing about that article says it's even close to the Titan. A similar hardware spec, yes, but no performance comparison. A factory benchmarked "25-50% faster than the HD7970G" will translate to about 10% in the real world, if every release of a GPU or processor ever is anything to go by.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 08:29 PM

QUOTE (SilverRST @ Friday, May 17 2013, 14:56)
The GTX780 is slightly faster than the GTX Titan:
http://videocardz.co...-specifications

I don't see any concrete basis for these prices. There's no way they'd charge half as much for a GPU that is very similar in performance, especially not when it's Nvidia we're talking about. I'm expecting somewhere close to $800-$900 for the 780 and $700-$800 for the 770.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 08:36 PM

Yeah, I think so too. But we'll have to wait till May 23rd. (If that is the real release date)

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 09:10 PM

QUOTE (Pat @ Friday, May 17 2013, 20:29)
QUOTE (SilverRST @ Friday, May 17 2013, 14:56)
The GTX780 is slightly faster than the GTX Titan:
http://videocardz.co...-specifications

I don't see any concrete basis for these prices. There's no way they'd charge half as much for a GPU that is very similar in performance, especially not when it's Nvidia we're talking about. I'm expecting somewhere close to $800-$900 for the 780 and $700-$800 for the 770.

Several websites (every website I've read) contradicts your opinon, however, I myself have always had the thought that a 780 for around £500 was too good to be true, so I think you're right. I've just been hoping that the 780 is almost half the price of a Titan so I can actually buy one.

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Posted 18 May 2013 - 06:49 AM

GTX780 won't be as fast as Titan, since it was planned to be released as Titan LE... As for the prices, I'd expect something around £500.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 06:15 PM

Has anyone ever bought a GPU or any other major hardware from ebay before? I plan on getting a GTX 680 from there since it's a far better deal. I still have my concerns though, simply because it's ebay.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 06:39 PM

QUOTE (yojo2 @ Saturday, May 18 2013, 06:49)
GTX780 won't be as fast as Titan, since it was planned to be released as Titan LE... As for the prices, I'd expect something around £500.

Several websites have many news about the GTX780's. The GTX780 just ended up as a rebranded GTX680.
Very slightly higher clocks as the GTX Titan but that does it. And the less CUDA cores than the GTX Titan.
I'm very very disappointed about those dirty tricks.
And the worst has to come, several Dutch stores sells the GTX780 for €650 and above.
It's just as expensive as the GTX Titan with less CUDA cores. Sure €650 is less than €1000
but if the GTX780 had the same amount of CUDA cores as the Titan, it would just be as expensive as the Titan.

What happened to Nvidia to do those dirty tricks?? GTX780 is no better than the GTX680.

http://videocardz.com/

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 07:14 PM

QUOTE (SilverRST @ Thursday, May 23 2013, 19:39)
What happened to Nvidia to do those dirty tricks?? GTX780 is no better than the GTX680.

Um, I love the 680 but I wouldn't be so sure about that. The 780 has 1GB more VRAM and 50% higher memory bandwidth, for a start.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 07:30 PM

QUOTE (sivispacem @ Thursday, May 23 2013, 19:14)
QUOTE (SilverRST @ Thursday, May 23 2013, 19:39)
What happened to Nvidia to do those dirty tricks?? GTX780 is no better than the GTX680.

Um, I love the 680 but I wouldn't be so sure about that. The 780 has 1GB more VRAM and 50% higher memory bandwidth, for a start.

Yes, I love the 680 too.
I just expected a bigger improvement of the 780. Higher speed clocks etc.
But when benchmarked between the 680 and 780, it's only like 5-13 FPS difference.
Not quiite good when the price is too high for those 5-13 FPS.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 07:41 PM

QUOTE (SilverRST @ Thursday, May 23 2013, 20:30)
I just expected a bigger improvement of the 780. Higher speed clocks etc.

Clock speed is basically irrelevant in modern GPU design. Any muppet can crank the core clocks up to 1200MHz.

QUOTE (SilverRST @ Thursday, May 23 2013, 20:30)
But when benchmarked between the 680 and 780, it's only like 5-13 FPS difference.

There's never more than a 10-15% difference generation to generation in GPUs. The 780 will shine in multi-monitor setups and at ultra-high definition resolutions, where that high memory bandwidth and increased VRAM can mbe useful

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 08:06 PM

QUOTE (SilverRST @ Thursday, May 23 2013, 19:39)
Several websites have many news about the GTX780's. The GTX780 just ended up as a rebranded GTX680.

Wha...? Look at the specs, it's clearly a cut-down version of the Titan, not a rebranded GTX680 - that's what GTX770 will be. And GTX780 is actually closer in terms of performance to Titan than the GTX680, so all in all it's not that bad.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 08:13 PM

QUOTE (yojo2 @ Thursday, May 23 2013, 20:06)
QUOTE (SilverRST @ Thursday, May 23 2013, 19:39)
Several websites have many news about the GTX780's. The GTX780 just ended up as a rebranded GTX680.

Wha...? Look at the specs, it's clearly a cut-down version of the Titan, not a rebranded GTX680 - that's what GTX770 will be. And GTX780 is actually closer in terms of performance to Titan than the GTX680, so all in all it's not that bad.

Sh*t. Thanks for clearing it up.
So which factor is really important for games?
Overcloking a GPU can always damage it and therefore you would need a custom fans on it.
Like EVGA GTX780 ACX.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 08:58 PM

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Has anyone ever bought a GPU or any other major hardware from ebay before? I plan on getting a GTX 680 from there since it's a far better deal. I still have my concerns though, simply because it's ebay.

When buying from ebay take a look at the seller's history. Be sure to check the description and always think if something is too good to be true.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 09:32 PM

QUOTE (illegal_luggage @ Thursday, May 23 2013, 20:58)
QUOTE (xI Jakk Ix @ Thursday, May 23 2013, 18:15)
Has anyone ever bought a GPU or any other major hardware from ebay before? I plan on getting a GTX 680 from there since it's a far better deal. I still have my concerns though, simply because it's ebay.

When buying from ebay take a look at the seller's history. Be sure to check the description and always think if something is too good to be true.

I tend not to trust people who just take a picture off the internet and don't actually take a picture. But some people like that have very reputable history, so I may reconsider that.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 05:26 AM

QUOTE (SilverRST @ Friday, May 24 2013, 05:39)
QUOTE (yojo2 @ Saturday, May 18 2013, 06:49)
GTX780 won't be as fast as Titan, since it was planned to be released as Titan LE... As for the prices, I'd expect something around £500.

Several websites have many news about the GTX780's. The GTX780 just ended up as a rebranded GTX680.
Very slightly higher clocks as the GTX Titan but that does it. And the less CUDA cores than the GTX Titan.
I'm very very disappointed about those dirty tricks.
And the worst has to come, several Dutch stores sells the GTX780 for €650 and above.
It's just as expensive as the GTX Titan with less CUDA cores. Sure €650 is less than €1000
but if the GTX780 had the same amount of CUDA cores as the Titan, it would just be as expensive as the Titan.

What happened to Nvidia to do those dirty tricks?? GTX780 is no better than the GTX680.

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 11:06 PM

2 questions.

I'm looking at picking up this CPU, though I'd imagine I would need an A3 compatible motherboard, which I'm not sure if mine does. Any recommendations for one?

Also looking at a new GPU, currently have a GTX 560 and looking for something a bit future-proof with new consoles coming out. Any ideas?

I have a $600 budget for all 3 parts above.

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 06:23 AM

What will you be using the PC for? if for gaming, then FX-8350 is not a way to go. i5-3570k costs just a few bucks more and it's a better deal. Or, if you're not overclocking, get the Xeon E3-1230V2 - you get an i7 for the price of an i5.

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 01:42 PM

QUOTE (yojo2 @ Wednesday, May 29 2013, 06:23)
What will you be using the PC for? if for gaming, then FX-8350 is not a way to go. i5-3570k costs just a few bucks more and it's a better deal. Or, if you're not overclocking, get the Xeon E3-1230V2 - you get an i7 for the price of an i5.

Is Intel really much better than AMD?
I know AMD is not doing well with CPU's but that FX8350 is an eight-core CPU
but still not a good choice?

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 02:27 PM

To be honest, the performance difference between any i5 or even i7 and an FX-83xx in 90% of gaming circumstances is effectively non-existent. Yes, the Intel processors are faster, but by an amount so small it is truly insignificant in most gaming or general use. I wouldn't recommend the FX-83xx for anyone gunning for maximum power but at their price and given the availability of very good yet very cheap AM3+ motherboards it can easily free up £50 over an equivalent Intel build. And £50 more towards a powerful GPU makes far more of a difference in gaming performance than spending the same on a marginally more powerful processor/motherboard combo.

I respect Stinky's opinion greatly but he and I disagree here. I personally think the AMD processors when taken as a unit (motherboard included) are better performance-per-pound than comparable Intel processors, and given the increasing adopting of multi-core hardware in the next generation of consoles- AMD hardware I might add- I think we may see greater utilization of modular architecture at the expense of single core performance in the near future. That's where the AMD processors excel.

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 05:59 PM

FX-8350 is not a true octa-core cpu, it's more like something between 4 and 8 cores. I still reckon it's a viable option to pay more for Intel, especially for gaming.




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