|QUOTE (wryan10 @ Dec 4 2009, 00:31)|
| hey versityle|
I've been playing along your list as you've been updating your times of day notes and have gotten up to It's War. It's been really good so far. I've got a couple of very small points to mention for consideration and one that's kind of crazy but worth mentioning.
Before I start I just wanted to say that both you and MOB seem to be pretty damn sharp catching things so no worries if you disagree with anything I'm about to list. These are just suggestions and I in no way expect anybody to change their lists just because I think they should.
First point is a REALLY small one but during the cut-scene for Hung Out To Dry Vlad mentions Niko doing Bull In A China Shop 'a few days ago' so I'd suggest maybe adding a small note to wait a day after shaking down the store owner before you initiate Hung Out To Dry. Since they come right after the other in your list I just took the day in between to do cab missions for roman and other activities.
I also noticed you have Niko's last mission as the LAST mission on your list. During Luis's mission 'Departure Time' they mention Dimitri already being dead right when Luis arrives at the 'fun fair.' So if you choose 'deal' in Niko's campaign Dimitri would still be alive during Departure Time and that would cause a continuity error. Sorry if somebody already brought this up to you.
Ok, now for the crazy one. Alot of people have brought up how awkward it is to kill Johnny and then not have Billy learn about it till days later. MOB offered up a pretty reasonable explanation recently, but it still just didn't sit right with me. So I tried to manipulate your list in order to have Billy mention Johnny within 24 hours of him being killed, while still having Niko complete Roman's Sorrow, and still stay true to your times of day ideas.(i had to fudge them a little bit, but i pulled it off)
here's your current list:
20. [J]Liberty City Choppers
21. [BG]Angles in America
22. [MF]No Love Lost
23. [MF]Rigged to Blow
24. [J]Bad Cop Drop
25. [DR]The Master and the Molotov
26. [DR]Russian Revolution
27. [R]Roman's Sorrow
28. [BG]It's War
here's how I changed it
20. Liberty City Choppers
21. Angels in America
22. No Love Lost
23. Rigged to Blow
24. The Master and The Molotov
25. Russian Revolution
26. Roman's Sorrow
27. Bad Cop Drop
28. It's War
This gets hot and heavy for Niko as your doing so many missions over a short span of time(my play style is usually one mission for each character a day) AND it ends your chapter on It's War instead of Russian Revolution, BUT it works as a chapter closing. Everything gets crazy until the new beginning of Escuala of the Streets where it can settle back into a normal pace.
I started Angels in America around 4 in the morning after Liberty City Choppers. I tend to see eye to eye with MOB here that Billy just got out and he's partying the whole night away.(jim also mentions going back to the clubhouse after LCC and you see him chilling in the opening cutscene of AIA). By starting it at 4 you still get the feel of Billy JUST getting out while having the mission run it's course in the daylight. I ended this off at around 08:30 in the morning on a sunday.
So then Niko triggers no love lost around 9 and meets Johnny around 10. So far so good. Then I head straight back to Faustins triggering RTB early afternoon.(Faustins out looking for dimitri whose probably meeting with petrovic and bulgarin while the Mrs. enjoys some tea on a sunday afternoon).
You do Rigged to Blow and end it late afternoon. Then as your driving home you get the dimitri call and meet him on firefly just as the suns going down and hit up faustin in his club right around 21-22 o'clock.
After you kill Faustin you call Dimitri when you get home to see if he has your money. He does(he's been planning this the whole day). You end russian revolution in the early morning, go see roman for roman's sorrow and end up early morning the day after no love's lost.
Then it's back to Johnny and if you perform one mission after the other you end up triggering It's War late enough(say 2 or 3 in the morning) that the lawyer could still be partying with Billy, and you finish the mission around 24 hours after Jason was killed(early morning), and right after Roman's Sorrow.(so when the news story about the cab depot comes on in [email protected] you're right in time)
Now, this is pretty intense and I could definately see you thinking it's just too much to try and get in there for the list. I just wanted to mention that it can be done in a realistic way without sacrificing continuity or the sense of realism you guys are trying to achieve.
Just some thoughts and again thanks to you and MOB for all the hard work. I'm having a blast playing so far....
I can understand peoples concern with the distance between "No Love Lost" and "It's War" but to be honest it never really bothered me. The way I always saw it is that Jason is a big boy and nobody really keeps tabs on who comes into the clubhouse and it's not like they clock in and out either. After getting Billy's bike back in "Clean and Serene" you can trigger the conversation with Johnny and Jason and Johnny says that he hasn't seen Jason in a while meaning that he can often be off doing his own thing while still being part of the brotherhood. I figure that each member of The Lost have their own errands to run and are not in the clubhouse 24/7 so they would probably assume the same for Jason until his body is found in the park and then Billy gets word of it which can be a few days later but under a week for sure.
The whole "Hung Out to Dry" and "Bull in a China Shop" is no biggie either. The lists are really for people who just want to play it in order of chronology who haven't gotten to figuring out themselves, are too busy or aren't hardcore and passionate fans like us. For those to who want that sense of realism will probably do it at their own pace like you and me for instance because I am likely to take a few days doing some procedural stuff before going back.
As for "Departure Time", I certainly can't doubt you guys but you need to point out to me where exactly and who exactly states that Dimitri is dead... I've played the mission three times and I haven't heard it once. The reason I put it before Niko's final mission is because I thought there should be time from when the bum finds the diamonds to when it pops up on the internet. But if what you guys say is true then it would have to be the final mission.
"Call and Collect" to "I Luv LC" is ready to go but I don't want this post to go too long so I'll wait for my next post.