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| Shouldn't you have moved Johnny's missions for Elizabeta up a bit. I remember your post in another topic, where you had placed "Heavy Toll" and "The Snow Storm" after each other. That did make a lot of sense, since the drugs Elizabeta lost in "The Snow Storm" was probably the same drugs she had Johnny steal for her in the first place. |
MoB was right to change it because Heavy Toll is a couple missions after This sh*t's Cursed, and This sh*t's Cursed has to occur later than Three Leaf Clover for several reasons, but most obviously the cutscene of Chinese Takeout in TBoGT. The Snow Storm has to be done several missions before Three Leaf Clover. So, Johnny has to be working for Elizabeta around the same time Niko is working for various McRearys, long after Niko is done with her.
Or in a compressed form. TBOGT f*cked up the timeline a bit.
Yeah it's crazy how one badly placed mission can mess up the whole timeline. The way it really should go is the way I had it over in the TLAD section but then Rockstar decided to make a lackluster connection between the two games by putting Billy in Chinese Takeout and creating a stupid excuse why Tony and Luis go to The Dragon Heart Plaza. I think a lot of the missions in TBOGT are just filler to bridge the gap between crossover missions.. Others were just needless like suddenly giving Brucie a brother (although that was ok) or suddenly claiming that Tony was 45 and from Dukes.. not to mention dumb and dumber (you all know who I mean I'm sure).
The fact that none of the news stories other than those about crossover missions appear in any other game in the Era just goes to prove that Rockstar just created a load of missions that were off the wall (and stupid in some cases) and then thought about the timeline afterwards.. putting the missions in a random order in between crossovers, much the same way I have been forced to in order to work around their lack of effort. I think all in all the game comes off as good as far as fun is concerned but as far as story and continuity it's a sloppy piece of work that seemed like it was made in a hurry.
Anyway I've had my little rant and got it out of my system I don't want this to turn into a topic about how good or bad people think the story was so if anybody else has an suggestions that may help please let me know.
No man I completely agree with you, IV and TLAD follow the same path, even though TLAD had it's own story you could near enough pinpoint where it was in GTA IV's Timeline. IV and TLAD felt a lot closer because the theme nearly matched, both characters are low in the city, both know some of the same connections, etc so the stories felt closer and actually thought out. In TBOGT, one of the things that put me off was the story, only seems like 8 or so missions actually fit in the GTA IV timeline, rest are just fan wank service (sorry guys but it's true, Rockstar have catered to your fun needs and OTT missions but messed a set story in the process), Mori appears out of nowhere, Bulgarin changed his style, Dumb & Dumber (as you put) share names with two characters in IV but are yet not connected at all or even mentioned.
To me, it seems we as fans have damaged TBOGT story, if I recall, Yusuf was suppose to be a proper businessman, but in TBOGT rockstar have taken things fan liked from IV and jacked it up, oh, people like Roman, let's make Yusuf a Rich Roman then! People liked Brucie a lot, lets make him have a brother who's even more Brucie than Brucie! etc. And whilst I appreciate the Billy appearance in TBOGT, it still didn't make sense to how this backfired for Billy and Brian and was set like a few weeks after in actually happened in TLAD. I just get the feeling TBOGT was suppose to start earlier but Rockstar couldn't find a way to explain why Luis was at the bank and how to make that a mission.