|QUOTE (Cheatz_N_Trickz @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 18:15)|
|QUOTE (cp1dell @ Friday, May 17 2013, 20:14)|
| I can actually see how Liz's arrest could have been held off.|
She was well aware that the police were watching her. Karen knew Niko was working with Liz, and that Niko could tip her off. They could have decided to hold off for a bit so they could catch her by surprise.
You could theorise it that way, but it's fanon, seeing as at that point in the story, Liz is arrested.
Mission's can go in different orders due to choice, but there are those missions that you must do before others, to unlock other mission strands. These are chosen as such because Rockstar wrote them to be done first. In this case, Have a Heart (and thus Liz's arrest, Johnny's Liz missions) are events that take place before the bank job, always.
Putting off Liz's arrest is a fan made story to explain Rockstar's error. For me, pretending that something has/hasn't happened isn't the true story, so I can't roll with it (I can roll with a continuity error though) but if others can, good for them.
There's also the call after Shifting Weight (which is parallel to Have a Heart) where you can hear the cops storming Liz's apartment.
Before The Ballad of Gay Tony was released I had all of Niko and Johnny's missions for Liz happening one after another as you can see here
. Rockstar retconned the order with TBOGT though and didn't explain the reasoning behind the discrepency, this is why people are coming up with hypothetical scenarios or "fanon" as you call it. To me it seems utterly pointless to have Billy Grey appear in TBOGT and foreshadow This sh*t's Cursed since it's very likely that the Triads would've attempted to kill Johnny for stealing their Heroin anyway without Billy having to ask them to. Its also understandable why Billy chose to stay outside since he knew that the Triads would be hostile.. this would be a set up in itself since he was leaving Johnny and Jim to die. Maybe it was done as a way of confirming that the Triad leader in TBOGT was the same one as TLAD who knows. The fact is TBOGT came out after GTA IV so the sequence of events dictated by that game supercedes that which is set out in GTA IV and TLAD (the same way the place where the bum found the the diamonds was retconned - albeit very sloppily). I think there's a way of putting off the phonecall to say Liz is in prison so that it doesn't happen in the timeline until after Shifting Weight but I can't quite recall since its been so long since it was mentioned. I'm sure somebody else will be able to remember though. For the time being I've switched Gerry and Derrick's missions around to bring HAH and SW slightly closer together.
The biggest issue right now seems to be figuring out how long Mallorie's call about Elizabeta doing a bid can be put off. I know Packie and Gerry have to call you in order for you to do Smackdown and Actions Speak Louder than Words and with Mallorie's call being backed up it would probably come through before those calls so I'm guessing in order to progress after Three Leaf Clover you would need to let it come through.. maybe not though. If somebody has the time to check this out it would be greatly appreciated.
In retropect a "change log" would have been a really good idea but I created this topic only a few months after joining the forums so I wasn't really that experienced. I also didn't expect this topic to be half as popular as it has been (still seeing activity 4 years after its creation). I suppose I could go back through the topic and try and figure out the changes that were made by looking at the comments and pick out any discoveries which lead to a change being made. It won't be as comprehensive as a genuine change log but it will probably help newcomers to understand the timeline better. If I do this it will probably take me a while though.
EDIT: Here's Elizabetha's dialogue from after both Have a Heart and Shifting Weight regarding her impending arrest:Have a Heart
Niko: "The Doctor has that stuff"
Elizabeta: "Good, one less thing to bother me. The heat is closing in Niko, this particular party is ending." (hangs up)Shifting Weight
Elizabeta: "Johnny. How'd it go? Do I have some bail money at least?"
Johnny: "Deal didn't happen. Buyer got smart. Pigs got involved. Our friends are heading back with the product."
Elizabeta: "Things couldn't get much worse here, you know. You know, these is tough times. You best stay away from me and Marta for a while. See you."
Johnny: "Alright, baby. Just don't get freaked out if you see me rolling in a cop car. Weird times call for weird measures, Liz."
Both pieces of dialogue are speculative on her part.. she knows she will be taken down soon but isn't sure when exactly.
Here's the dialogue if you call Liz after Shifting Weight:
Johnny:" Liz? You there?"
Elizabeta: "Tiralo. Tira el perico. Oh sh*t. Flush that sh*t! Tira el perico! They coming, Johnny. They f*cking coming right now, you know."
Johnny: "Yeah, umm, good luck, Liz. Is Marta okay?"
Lizzy: "Ha ha ha. She's okay. Oh, we all good, baby. Ha ha ha. Bye bye."
This is clearly the moment she gets taken down.
Here is the dialogue from the infamous phonecall from Mallorie:
Mallorie: "Niko. The sh*t went down with those guys in Bohan. Elizabeta's doing a bid. I think she might have killed Manny."
Mallorie: "Good thing you haven't been hanging around with them too much. That sh*t is f*cked up. I'm sorry for getting you involved."
Niko: "Don't worry about it. You've got enough on your plate looking after Roman. See you soon."
This is after the effect. So all that we need to figure out is if its possible to postpone Mallorie's phonecall long enough to give Johnny time to finish Elizabeta's jobs.
Edited by Money Over Bullshit, 22 May 2013 - 12:35 PM.