First: This has nothing to do with MP cheating. MP Cheating has NOTHING to do with modding. So if you have an anti-modding opinion, it is not helpful, because all that means is that you wrongly assume modding means cheating. It's ok, not everyone understands, and I side with you: Cheats are wrong. I'm with you "anti" guys on that
I like to mod GTA. I like to make things for it because NOTHING else out there allows me to do this. NOTHING else out there, free or not, has the same kind of artist-friendly atmosphere to the pipeline.
In fact, open source game engine developers are doing it wrong. They make tools to help make THEIR mapping easier when they should not even be mapping at all, they should be coding and the tools they make should help artists, not force them to beg coders for help.
There is NO worthwhile engine available to artists. The ONLY one that exists is GTA. The rest of them either use technologies I am uncomfortable with (like BSP map editors) and/or undermine the tools I use and have an education to use. GTA is different. It is a big blank canvas, and I want to mod it, you should let me, and you should help us. You should. There is no reason why you should not allow us to mod your game unless it is a third party exclusivity arrangement - in which case, disclose it to us.
I want to mod it. You are here now, Rockstar, you are on these forums, you even watch the modding section. I have mailed you on your site over and over and I have PM'd you here. I have yet to receive ANY explanation as to why you do not support us in modding your game, not even a response.
Hot coffee is not the reason. It helped you. And you made that, not us.
Is it because of all of the third party things you use to make your games? What does that have to do with making my own models? What does that have to do with promoting your game every time I promote what I make with my hobby?
This is not just for rockstar - this is open discussion for all - can anyone give ANY logical reason at all why they have not opened support for modding? They supported Max Payne (maybe because it was already what it was). Are you going to let us mod Max Payne 3, or did you change THAT aspect of what makes max payne what it is too?
And I have faith in max payne.. I am excited to see what you do with it. But I want to mod GTA. I want you to recognize your most dedicated PC gamers. I want you to release some tools. You HAVE them, share them.
Don't want to open up IV? FINE, GIVE us real, non-buggy GTA SA tools. You won't give it to us? Then TELL ME WHY.
I deserve AT LEAST that much. I deserve to know WHY you won't let us mod.
Was Jack Thompson and hot coffee your OWN anti modding ploy? Am I out of line to ask you that? No. You have not explained things, we are left to guess. Please tell us, all of us who undoubtedly will support this topic (as long as, you know, it doesn't disappear) who want to know: WHY won't you support modding GTA and if you don't want to support modding IV, WHY won't you at least release the old SA tools that you don't even and will never even use again? Why?
I have mailed many of your mails, contacted you here directly, this is the next proper option: Make it public, give you an opportunity to see that it's more than just me who wants this.
That's all I want - tools or the reason you won't release anything for us OR reply to any of us - because I am not the only person you have ignored about this. I'm not saying you completely ignore people, but I am one of a handful who are still completely clueless and awestruck that you haven't stormed the indie game developer scene by supporting modding in your game. That rings so many things that perhaps you can't see from your perspective - but from mine, i have read All of the dead ends - you can change a lot of lives, it's even that serious. lol. Frustration kills creativity when it isn't able to be directed into the art - You could make modding a bit more accessible, you could at least open up the game to people who own it. You closed version 2.0 and 3.0, but the website (PC version SA website) says you will support modding.
DON'T say you are scared of controversy, you are not. I know "daddy's back" and your competition are "bitches" (opening of GTA IV is a stab at EA for failing at cloning - and I love you for smacking them). I know from your own in-game hot coffee jokes that isn't the reason. And we could not do ANY worse than FPS modders do - and to this day modders have been only an ASSET to you, never a detriment. Your games gain players who don't even like them just because they see awesome mods that make them more suited for their taste. Why won't you embrace this? Why do you ignore the people who love your games more than ANY of the other fans could ever dream to? Why do you ignore your most dedicated following? Tell me, I deserve to know. We all do.
You're not just my favorite game company, you are the Only game company that even exists in my world besides Valve. Please, finally, and once and for all, tell me why you won't let us mod your games. You don't have to SUPPORT us, WE can handle ALL of that here. Just give us the tools. For old games, at least?
Edited by supermortalhuman, 07 July 2009 - 07:10 PM.