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Posted 10 June 2009 - 04:39 PM

so i am to the mission where madd dogg trys to commit suiside, and i have tried about a hundred times, but he falls out when they are telling u what to do, could i have some tips on how to do this mission?

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Posted 10 June 2009 - 04:41 PM

Approximately how many times have you cheated on your current save? And have you ever saved with the ped riot cheat enabled, it is a known bug, you will have to restart.

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Posted 10 June 2009 - 04:43 PM

If you're on PC, you can fix your save by using hmvartak's Online Glitch Repair Tool.

If you're on a console, then as nerner said, you'll have to start over from a previous save where you haven't used the 'Riot' or 'Peds attack each other' cheat. This is why you should never save your game after using cheats, specifically the ones I mentioned.

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Posted 10 June 2009 - 04:51 PM

I also heard that the glitch could be triggered by using too many cheats, like 400 or something, do you know if that is true girish?

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Posted 10 June 2009 - 05:14 PM

I used 1678 cheats and still could do the mission.

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Posted 10 June 2009 - 05:21 PM

Well maybe it is more than 400 cheats then?

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Posted 10 June 2009 - 05:40 PM

QUOTE (nerner @ Jun 10 2009, 16:41)
Approximately how many times have you cheated on your current save? And have you ever saved with the ped riot cheat enabled, it is a known bug, you will have to restart.

what if i have done cheats every time i have saved?

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Posted 10 June 2009 - 05:41 PM

QUOTE (nerner @ Jun 10 2009, 16:41)
Approximately how many times have you cheated on your current save? And have you ever saved with the ped riot cheat enabled, it is a known bug, you will have to restart.

how do i find out how many times i have cheated?

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Posted 10 June 2009 - 05:44 PM

QUOTE (girishb @ Jun 10 2009, 16:43)
If you're on PC, you can fix your save by using hmvartak's Online Glitch Repair Tool.

If you're on a console, then as nerner said, you'll have to start over from a previous save where you haven't used the 'Riot' or 'Peds attack each other' cheat. This is why you should never save your game after using cheats, specifically the ones I mentioned.

well im on the console and the only cheat i use is infinite health,guns, and jet pack

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Posted 10 June 2009 - 05:45 PM

QUOTE (nerner @ Jun 10 2009, 12:21)
Well maybe it is more than 400 cheats then?

No, it has nothing to do with the number of cheats used, nor does it have anything to do with the Riot cheat.

The only cheat that affects this mission is the Peds Attack Each Other; once that cheat has been activated, then there's no way to pass the mission.

Also, if you don't believe me about the Riot cheat, then start the mission, activate the Riot cheat, then deactivate the Riot cheat, and you'll see that the mission can be passed without any problems; provided that you never entered the Peds Attack Each Other cheat.

This has been tested by several people on GTA Forums.

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Posted 10 June 2009 - 05:50 PM

I remember something being said long back ago about the glitch being caused by different cheats on consoles and PC. Although I'm not sure about it, I make it a point to mention both the riot and peds attack each other cheat just to be on the safer side.

Also, quite a few console users have claimed that they experienced glitches after cheating over 500 times. It still remains unverified though and I can't confirm it since I don't have a console.

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Irrespective of anything atm, there is no other solution for the glitch than to start over from a previous save or start a new game. confused.gif

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Posted 10 June 2009 - 05:52 PM

QUOTE (girishb @ Jun 10 2009, 12:50)
I remember something being said long back ago about the glitch being caused by different cheats on consoles and PC. Although I'm not sure about it, I make it a point to mention both the riot and peds attack each other cheat just to be on the safer side.

Also, quite a few console users have claimed that they experienced glitches after cheating over 500 times. It still remains unverified though and I can't confirm it since I don't have a console.

True, I should emphasize that all testing was done for the PC version, myself included.

I don't own a console, but someone else who owns one may be able to shed some light on the subject.

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Posted 10 June 2009 - 05:53 PM

QUOTE (zmoonchild @ Jun 10 2009, 17:45)
QUOTE (nerner @ Jun 10 2009, 12:21)
Well maybe it is more than 400 cheats then?

No, it has nothing to do with the number of cheats used, nor does it have anything to do with the Riot cheat.

The only cheat that affects this mission is the Peds Attack Each Other; once that cheat has been activated, then there's no way to pass the mission.

Also, if you don't believe me about the Riot cheat, then start the mission, activate the Riot cheat, then deactivate the Riot cheat, and you'll see that the mission can be passed without any problems; provided that you never entered the Peds Attack Each Other cheat.

This has been tested by several people on GTA Forums.

i think that i have entered the peds attack eachother at most once, though i know that i did, so what do i do , restart from the beginning? and i have cheated 13679 times.


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Posted 10 June 2009 - 05:56 PM

If you have a previous save where you haven't used the peds attack each other cheat, then you can continue from that save. If not, then I'm afraid you'll have to start a new game.

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Posted 10 June 2009 - 06:00 PM

QUOTE (girishb @ Jun 10 2009, 17:56)
If you have a previous save where you haven't used the peds attack each other cheat, then you can continue from that save. If not, then I'm afraid you'll have to start a new game.

okay, thanks. the last time i used that was at the very beginning.

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Posted 10 June 2009 - 06:02 PM

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i think that i have entered the peds attack eachother at most once, though i know that i did, so what do i do , restart from the beginning? and i have cheated 13679 times.


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Yep, restart from the beginning, but don't save over your glitched save, as the glitch sometimes travels. And 13679 times! Holy sh*t, no wonder your save is glitched.

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Posted 10 June 2009 - 06:20 PM Edited by lil weasel, 11 June 2009 - 01:36 AM.

I just spent a half hour reading other forums and such.

a few say there is no cure for this glitch, so the game must be started over.

Regarding Console play:
One (a 2005 post that was not rebutted on another forum) said:

Cheat code warning
You should be careful on using cheat codes too frequently until you complete the mission where you save Madd Dogg from jumping off the casino rooftop. The game will prevent you from completing this mission if codes have been used excessively; this number appears to be cheats being used 500 or more times.
When this number has been exceeded, Madd Dogg will jump off the roof in a few seconds, making it impossible to save him.

Note: If you encounter this problem, enable the "Slow motion" or "Adrenaline effects" codes to get there faster. You still must be quick in order to save Madd Dogg.

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Posted 10 June 2009 - 06:39 PM

QUOTE (nerner @ Jun 10 2009, 13:02)
QUOTE (bullet=GT @ Jun 10 2009, 18:53)

i think that i have entered the peds attack eachother at most once, though i know that i did, so what do i do , restart from the beginning? and i have cheated 13679 times.


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Yep, restart from the beginning, but don't save over your glitched save, as the glitch sometimes travels. And 13679 times! Holy sh*t, no wonder your save is glitched.

Well, if he's got the PC version, then cheats will not glitch his game, and that's a fact (aside from the Peds Attack Each Other cheat)... this doesn't just come from me, but experts such as P.D. Escobar and OrionSR.

He can use cheats thousands of more times, and the game will not glitch.

For the PC version, I don't understand why people keep on getting this information incorrect... cheats do not glitch the game (again, aside from the Peds Attack Each Other cheat).

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Posted 10 June 2009 - 06:57 PM

QUOTE (zmoonchild @ Jun 10 2009, 19:39)
Peds Attack Each Other cheat).

Which he has said that he used a few times at the begining of the save.

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Posted 10 June 2009 - 09:59 PM

QUOTE (nerner @ Jun 10 2009, 13:57)
QUOTE (zmoonchild @ Jun 10 2009, 19:39)
Peds Attack Each Other cheat).

Which he has said that he used a few times at the begining of the save.

Yes, and I was responding to your " And 13679 times! Holy sh*t, no wonder your save is glitched " comment, as if that had something to do with bullet=GT not being able to pass the mission... that's all; it's really not that important.

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Posted 11 June 2009 - 02:30 AM

If your console is PS2, then you can fix your save at http://hmvartak.110mb.com/fix.htm (if you are able to transfer your saves from PS2 <-> PC). It is the only PS2 glitch that can be fixed at there.

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Posted 11 June 2009 - 03:01 AM Edited by !!GameCH33TA!!, 13 June 2009 - 09:08 AM.

I'll shed some light on this subject. We should have 1 post with all the info in it. This question comes up all the time.

Alright, PC users;
•It does not matter at all how many times you cheat.
Only the Peds Attack Each Other cheat will activate this glitch.
Peds Riot cheat does not affect this mission. It can be activated and saved with safely.
•If you activate the Peds Attack Each Other cheat and do not save. The glitch will not occur.
•For PC glitch repair, go to this link by hmvartak .

PS2 users;
•It does not matter how many times you cheat (Tested by myself.)
Only the Peds Riot cheat will activate this glitch.
Peds Attack Each Other is safe to use and cheat does not affect this mission. It can be activated and saved with safely.
•If you activate the Peds Riot cheat and do not save. The glitch will not occur.
•For PS2 glitch repair, go to this link by hmvartak .

XBOX users;
•It does not matter how many times you cheat
Only the Peds Attack Each Other cheat will activate this glitch.
Peds Riot is safe to use and cheat does not affect this mission. It can be activated and saved with safely.
•If you activate the Peds Riot cheat and do not save. The glitch will not occur.

So, they are basically the same. Note: We still need a XBOX user to test it for their console.

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Posted 12 June 2009 - 10:13 PM

Reference:SA Save File Glitch Detection and Repair - NPC Glitches
http://www.gtaforums...st&p=1058105807

Button codes are included since different sites might use different names for the cheats. The cheat names listed below are taken from GameFAQs. I have the PC and PS2 version, have tested these codes, and have identified the corruption they cause in the save file. I also tested every other cheat that might be related to pedestrian behavior and could not detect any problems that could corrupt the save file.

PC Cheat: "Peds Attack Each Other" AJLOJYQY
PS2 Cheat: "Pedestrians Riot" down left up left X R2 R1 L2 L1

I don't have SA for Xbox so I was not able to identify which codes might cause the problem. If an Xbox player wanted to test for this glitch they do not need to have a save with the Madd Dogg mission available. The simple test is to observe the behavior of the vending cart vendors. If they attack CJ, each other, or other random peds then the glitch is active.

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 12:59 AM

QUOTE (OrionSR @ Jun 13 2009, 10:13)
PC Cheat: "Peds Attack Each Other" AJLOJYQY
PS2 Cheat: "Pedestrians Riot" down left up left X R2 R1 L2 L1

Ok, cool.
So you're saying that the PS2 cheat, Pedestrians Riot is what causes the glitch for the PS2?
That is something that i haven't tested myself.

Also, PC's Peds Attack Each Other and PS2's Pedestrians Riot are the equivalents of each other in terms of what effect they have on the game?

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 03:09 AM

QUOTE (OrionSR @ Jun 12 2009, 22:13)
Reference:SA Save File Glitch Detection and Repair - NPC Glitches
http://www.gtaforums...st&p=1058105807

Button codes are included since different sites might use different names for the cheats. The cheat names listed below are taken from GameFAQs. I have the PC and PS2 version, have tested these codes, and have identified the corruption they cause in the save file. I also tested every other cheat that might be related to pedestrian behavior and could not detect any problems that could corrupt the save file.

PC Cheat: "Peds Attack Each Other" AJLOJYQY
PS2 Cheat: "Pedestrians Riot" down left up left X R2 R1 L2 L1

I don't have SA for Xbox so I was not able to identify which codes might cause the problem. If an Xbox player wanted to test for this glitch they do not need to have a save with the Madd Dogg mission available. The simple test is to observe the behavior of the vending cart vendors. If they attack CJ, each other, or other random peds then the glitch is active.

I have the xBox version and tested the "Pedestrians Attack Each Other" cheat and the Chilli Dog vendor started to attack CJ. I did this near the tall building in LS that you can parachute off of. I did not test the "Pedestian Riot" mode, but I'll do it tomorrow.

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 05:24 AM

QUOTE (DarrinPA @ Jun 12 2009, 19:09)
I have the xBox version and tested the "Pedestrians Attack Each Other" cheat and the Chilli Dog vendor started to attack CJ. I did this near the tall building in LS that you can parachute off of. I did not test the "Pedestian Riot" mode, but I'll do it tomorrow.

Thanks, DarrinPA. I appreciate your efforts to track down this glitchy cheat for the Xbox version. When you are satisfied that you have correctly identified the correct code I'll add your information to the Glitch Detection topic. Please include the button codes along with the glitch name.

To be confident that the glitch is active, you will need to save after using the cheat and reload the save. I don't think resetting the Xbox will be necessary but it will increase the confidence level a bit. If I recall correctly, the cheat can be deactivated - sort of. Most of the pedestrians will return to normal behavior if the cheat is entered again (I think). However, the Cart Vendors, girlfriends, Drug Dealers, and a few other NPCs will still behave aggressively.

!!GameCH33TA!!, I believe you are correct; the NPC glitching cheats have different names on PC and PS2, but cause identical changes to game play. However, I didn't spend much time testing the cheat active game state. Most of my experiments were conducted on the glitch state after reloading the saved cheat or deactivating the code.

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 05:22 AM

I do not have any free spaces to save. I'm going to buy a memory card for the xBox controller so I can fully test it then by clearing some space. Until then I'll post what I have done.

As stated earlier, the Pedestrian Attack (Cant be Turned Off!!): DOWN, UP, UP, UP, A, BLACK, R TRIGGER, WHITE, WHITE makes the chilli dog vendor attack CJ. When turned off [repeating the button code] the vendor continues to fight CJ, but some people leave and act normal again. I left the area and used a rocket launcher to waste CJ. I returned to the vendor and he started attacking people again.


As for the Pedestrian Riot Mode (Cant be turned off!!): DOWN, LEFT, UP, LEFT, A, BLACK, R TRIGGER, WHITE, L TRIGGER
The vendor started attacking CJ. After leaving the area and returning and also after Wasting CJ and returning he would still attack CJ.

But again I won't know everything for sure until I can do the save portion of the experiment. When I do have free space, I'll start from a point near the Madd Dogg mission to know for sure.




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