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Posted 26 April 2009 - 03:06 PM

Toni,Joey,Luigi did nothing after the death of sal. Why did'nt they took revenge on claude after what he did?

Also what's the leone's current future?

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Posted 26 April 2009 - 03:47 PM

They kinda knew that Claude didn't betray the Leone family and Mafia loyalties being what they are, they probably didn't care as Salvatore was just jealous of Claude.

For the Leone family, it probably went on for a while fighting with the Triads. They possibly move to another city, like the Coreleone family in The Godfather.

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Posted 26 April 2009 - 06:11 PM

I was expecting Joey to do something about it...especially since he's Salvatore's son,but maybe he was too dumb to notice that his dad was missing dozingoff.gif ...

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Posted 27 April 2009 - 08:44 PM

The Leone Family did try to take revenge on Claude in the mission "Under Surveillance." They send three groups of hit squads after him. You are then tasked with killing them all on orders from Asuka Kasen.

As for the future of the Leone Family; Toni Cipriani is the obsessive successor to Salvatore Leone. Joey Leone would not assume the position just because he is Salvatore's son, the mafia does not work like that, Toni was his second-in-command and as such would take over following Sal's death.

One thing I've noticed though - how come the Leones don't have a advisor/Consigiliere?

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Posted 27 April 2009 - 09:25 PM

QUOTE (Jacky Fiend @ Apr 27 2009, 20:44)
The Leone Family did try to take revenge on Claude in the mission "Under Surveillance." They send three groups of hit squads after him. You are then tasked with killing them all on orders from Asuka Kasen.

that mission is pretty weird, the subtitles say theyre salvatores men but asuka talks about the fbi.

i guess we will never know which story is the correct one, id assume its the fbi though since its much more likely for r* to have forgotten to adjust a subtitle than cutscene audio..

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Posted 27 April 2009 - 09:52 PM

QUOTE (rebel_36 @ Apr 27 2009, 22:25)
i guess we will never know which story is the correct one, id assume its the fbi though since its much more likely for r* to have forgotten to adjust a subtitle than cutscene audio..

Don't they use the Leone skin though? That would mean they are Leone hit men, rather than the FBI.

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Posted 27 April 2009 - 10:04 PM

Yeah, R* do occasionally make mistakes in subtitles but often put in hidden messages as well.

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Posted 27 April 2009 - 10:15 PM

QUOTE (Jacky Fiend @ Apr 27 2009, 21:52)
QUOTE (rebel_36 @ Apr 27 2009, 22:25)
i guess we will never know which story is the correct one, id assume its the fbi though since its much more likely for r* to have forgotten to adjust a subtitle than cutscene audio..

Don't they use the Leone skin though? That would mean they are Leone hit men, rather than the FBI.

im pretty sure they also use the leone skins for the cia in 'marked man', dunno if theyre exactly the same though, i may check tomorrow..

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Posted 27 April 2009 - 10:31 PM

QUOTE (rebel_36 @ Apr 28 2009, 00:15)
QUOTE (Jacky Fiend @ Apr 27 2009, 21:52)
QUOTE (rebel_36 @ Apr 27 2009, 22:25)
i guess we will never know which story is the correct one, id assume its the fbi though since its much more likely for r* to have forgotten to adjust a subtitle than cutscene audio..

Don't they use the Leone skin though? That would mean they are Leone hit men, rather than the FBI.

im pretty sure they also use the leone skins for the cia in 'marked man', dunno if theyre exactly the same though, i may check tomorrow..

No. The CIA agents in Marked Man have unique skin and their face looks more like the FBI agents from Vice City with similar hair style.

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 12:55 AM

QUOTE (rebel_36 @ Apr 27 2009, 14:25)
QUOTE (Jacky Fiend @ Apr 27 2009, 20:44)
The Leone Family did try to take revenge on Claude in the mission "Under Surveillance." They send three groups of hit squads after him. You are then tasked with killing them all on orders from Asuka Kasen.

that mission is pretty weird, the subtitles say theyre salvatores men but asuka talks about the fbi.

i guess we will never know which story is the correct one, id assume its the fbi though since its much more likely for r* to have forgotten to adjust a subtitle than cutscene audio..

On the PS2 Asuka's talking about the mafia dozingoff.gif ...

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 01:30 AM

QUOTE (Flesh-n-Bone @ Apr 27 2009, 23:31)
QUOTE (rebel_36 @ Apr 28 2009, 00:15)
QUOTE (Jacky Fiend @ Apr 27 2009, 21:52)
QUOTE (rebel_36 @ Apr 27 2009, 22:25)
i guess we will never know which story is the correct one, id assume its the fbi though since its much more likely for r* to have forgotten to adjust a subtitle than cutscene audio..

Don't they use the Leone skin though? That would mean they are Leone hit men, rather than the FBI.

im pretty sure they also use the leone skins for the cia in 'marked man', dunno if theyre exactly the same though, i may check tomorrow..

No. The CIA agents in Marked Man have unique skin and their face looks more like the FBI agents from Vice City with similar hair style.

I think we've established that the Leone Family did seek retribution for Claude's assassination of Salvatore. I'm just wondering why they stopped there - I'm guessing they would be pretty pissed off with him, why stop at one failed attempt?

I would of though Salvatore's death should of been a reoccurring theme in GTA III with Toni Cipriani (as the new head of the family) attempting to take revenge upon Claude multiple times during the course of the story. Though I guess that would of got in the way of the rest of the story.

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 05:02 PM

Well Claude kills about 20-25 Leone gang members in 'Under surveillance' mission, so maybe that is a good amount of people. Maybe it strained the mob too much so they halted any further attacks.

They also probably realised that Claude was working with the strong Yakuza and Yardies.

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Posted 01 May 2009 - 01:43 AM



I don't think that was 25 dudes but probably his ties to the yakua made them stop

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Posted 06 May 2009 - 04:46 PM Edited by DiscoverProject, 06 May 2009 - 04:49 PM.

QUOTE (lloydo @ Apr 26 2009, 15:47)
They kinda knew that Claude didn't betray the Leone family and Mafia loyalties being what they are, they probably didn't care as Salvatore was just jealous of Claude.

For the Leone family, it probably went on for a while fighting with the Triads. They possibly move to another city, like the Coreleone family in The Godfather.

No Sal wasn't jealous of Claude. He did not want to make the same mistake he did in San Andreas having Carl joining in the mafia helping them out with the casino and Carl backstabs him by robbing his casino. He didn't want to make the mistake twice so thats why they betray Claude for suspecting to betray Sal.

And also there is another reason why. Last Request mission when they betray you Maria also tells to Salvatore that maria likes Claude, that they were an "item" also called "couple" or "having feelings for Claude." And Sal got pissed and wasn't indeed "jealous" just "Pissed".

And bobgtafan was right, Toni maybe took over the mafia and knew that Claude was going to start big in Yakuza. You gotta understand that theres 3 big gangs. Cartels, mafia, and Yakuza. Mafia and Cartel hate eachother, Yakuza is neutral with everyone. Why avenge somebody's death that was a prick and have both Yakuza and Cartel at your throat. Yakuza and Cartel were sorta hostile but not totally hostile. The only problem with Sal was he was to over powered. He wanted power so much, he wanted to control Liberty City. If it wasen't for Toni in Liberty City Stories, the Leone gang wouldn't last a chance with the Silician Gang. Also Sal's Uncle does say "every dog has its day" as in Sal was going to be killed. which I'm glad Sal is dead because he is a prick, btw Sal is pretty funny in LCS.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 11:33 AM

"Every dog has its day".
Do you think Salvatore's uncle would try again to take over Liberty City after III's ending? I suppose it's a better moment than during LCS. With the 3 big gangs beheaded, I suppose there's nobody to oppose him, at least until a new leader takes command of those gangs. But even then, Claude's actions have done a lot to weaken them, I suppose.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 07:44 PM

My theory: After Salvatore's decease the gang slowly decreased into the shadows of the city, just like the Forelli Family. Because neither Toni nor Joey could restore the family's might. Saint Mark's was then taken over by the Diablos and Liberty City Triads, and those two gangs continued to struggle for turf contol between themselves. This could also be followed by Toni, Joey, Misty, Luigi, Mickey and the remnants of the gang leaving Liberty City at all.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 08:33 PM

Well I think Toni Cipriani would take control of the Leone family because he was a made man and after all what he did in the past (LCS events) but some members would just run away so they would be very weak. Losing territory in Saint Marks, surely Luigi would have big problems with Diablos, Toni with Triads and Joey would just run his garage because he hasn't any enemy after the Forellis disappaered.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 08:40 PM Edited by Arsen Vitiuk, 23 September 2012 - 08:50 PM.

QUOTE (IvoryX @ Sunday, Sep 23 2012, 23:33)
Losing territory in Saint Marks, surely Luigi would have big problems with Diablos...

I would even dare to suggest that the Diablos would run Luigi out of Sex Club Seven and take it over for their gang, with Red Light District fully becoming a Diablo Turf as a result - the thing the Diablos failed to do back in 1998, due to Toni's efforts.

In short, the Leones would face a total downfall on all fronts, and in the meantime, this family would cease to exist as a crime family at all.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 09:07 PM

QUOTE (Arsen Vitiuk @ Monday, Sep 24 2012, 06:40)
In short, the Leones would face a total downfall on all fronts, and in the meantime, this family would cease to exist as a crime family at all.

I couldn't have put it better myself. And this was referenced in GTA IV (although they're different eras) with the old abandoned mansion in Alderney which is supposed to symbolise Salvatore's Gentleman's Club and the downfall of the Leone Family. They are both even in similar locations comparing them to their respective islands.
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Posted 23 September 2012 - 09:35 PM

Another theory made by fans and not based on anything. These two mansions made in totally different style, located in two different places with only similarity of location near the beach are definitely connected sarcasm.gif

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 10:19 PM

QUOTE (Tycek @ Monday, Sep 24 2012, 07:35)
Another theory made by fans and not based on anything. These two mansions made in totally different style, located in two different places with only similarity of location near the beach are definitely connected sarcasm.gif

C'mon Tycek, you of all people should be able to see that it is a clear reference to the GTA 3 Era, similar to the R.I.P. Claude, Tommy, CJ etc. graffiti.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 02:45 AM

Toni and Joey probably took over, Toni most likely got tired of Salvatore (not getting his million) and decided to move on without him.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 08:22 AM

QUOTE (lzw3 @ Monday, Sep 24 2012, 00:19)
QUOTE (Tycek @ Monday, Sep 24 2012, 07:35)
Another theory made by fans and not based on anything. These two mansions made in totally different style, located in two different places with only similarity of location near the beach are definitely connected sarcasm.gif

C'mon Tycek, you of all people should be able to see that it is a clear reference to the GTA 3 Era, similar to the R.I.P. Claude, Tommy, CJ etc. graffiti.

Maybe I should, but this mansion isn't any reference. I agree on graffitis on that building in Dukes, but this mansion is just a building. If R* would like to make a reference do you think it was problematic to create model similar to Leone's Gentleman's Club? This building it's totally different and it's not reference in any way. BTW this theory came up on Wikia as many bullsh*t theories.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 09:50 AM

QUOTE (Tycek @ Monday, Sep 24 2012, 18:22)
QUOTE (lzw3 @ Monday, Sep 24 2012, 00:19)
QUOTE (Tycek @ Monday, Sep 24 2012, 07:35)
Another theory made by fans and not based on anything. These two mansions made in totally different style, located in two different places with only similarity of location near the beach are definitely connected sarcasm.gif

C'mon Tycek, you of all people should be able to see that it is a clear reference to the GTA 3 Era, similar to the R.I.P. Claude, Tommy, CJ etc. graffiti.

Maybe I should, but this mansion isn't any reference. I agree on graffitis on that building in Dukes, but this mansion is just a building. If R* would like to make a reference do you think it was problematic to create model similar to Leone's Gentleman's Club? This building it's totally different and it's not reference in any way. BTW this theory came up on Wikia as many bullsh*t theories.

Wikia is not bullsh*t, the idiots on Wikia are bullsh*t. I used to be admin over at GTAWiki and it is no worse nor better than Gboyers' Grand Theft Wiki. The guys from GTW (eg. Spaceeinstein, Eganio, Gboyers) left us (eg. McJeff, Ilan, Dan) to pick up the pieces. Don't go bashing Wikia for their baloney theories when GTW has just as many.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 09:56 AM

QUOTE (lzw3 @ Monday, Sep 24 2012, 09:50)
QUOTE (Tycek @ Monday, Sep 24 2012, 18:22)
QUOTE (lzw3 @ Monday, Sep 24 2012, 00:19)
QUOTE (Tycek @ Monday, Sep 24 2012, 07:35)
Another theory made by fans and not based on anything. These two mansions made in totally different style, located in two different places with only similarity of location near the beach are definitely connected sarcasm.gif

C'mon Tycek, you of all people should be able to see that it is a clear reference to the GTA 3 Era, similar to the R.I.P. Claude, Tommy, CJ etc. graffiti.

Maybe I should, but this mansion isn't any reference. I agree on graffitis on that building in Dukes, but this mansion is just a building. If R* would like to make a reference do you think it was problematic to create model similar to Leone's Gentleman's Club? This building it's totally different and it's not reference in any way. BTW this theory came up on Wikia as many bullsh*t theories.

Wikia is not bullsh*t, the idiots on Wikia are bullsh*t. I used to be admin over at GTAWiki and it is no worse nor better than Gboyers' Grand Theft Wiki. The guys from GTW (eg. Spaceeinstein, Eganio, Gboyers) left us (eg. McJeff, Ilan, Dan) to pick up the pieces. Don't go bashing Wikia for their baloney theories when GTW has just as many.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:12 AM

QUOTE (Haashir911 @ Monday, Sep 24 2012, 19:56)
QUOTE (lzw3 @ Monday, Sep 24 2012, 09:50)
QUOTE (Tycek @ Monday, Sep 24 2012, 18:22)
QUOTE (lzw3 @ Monday, Sep 24 2012, 00:19)
QUOTE (Tycek @ Monday, Sep 24 2012, 07:35)
Another theory made by fans and not based on anything. These two mansions made in totally different style, located in two different places with only similarity of location near the beach are definitely connected sarcasm.gif

C'mon Tycek, you of all people should be able to see that it is a clear reference to the GTA 3 Era, similar to the R.I.P. Claude, Tommy, CJ etc. graffiti.

Maybe I should, but this mansion isn't any reference. I agree on graffitis on that building in Dukes, but this mansion is just a building. If R* would like to make a reference do you think it was problematic to create model similar to Leone's Gentleman's Club? This building it's totally different and it's not reference in any way. BTW this theory came up on Wikia as many bullsh*t theories.

Wikia is not bullsh*t, the idiots on Wikia are bullsh*t. I used to be admin over at GTAWiki and it is no worse nor better than Gboyers' Grand Theft Wiki. The guys from GTW (eg. Spaceeinstein, Eganio, Gboyers) left us (eg. McJeff, Ilan, Dan) to pick up the pieces. Don't go bashing Wikia for their baloney theories when GTW has just as many.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:32 AM

Best answer ever: Wikia is not bullsh*t, the idiots on Wikia are bullsh*t.

Have you actually read your answer. People are making pages like Wikia, it's not like this page can exist on it's own and create new articles. If idiots are adding articles and bullsh*t theories, whole page becomes not trustworthy. I don't care about beef between you and guys who left you to pick up the pieces (boo f*cking hoo, it brought a tear to my eye), I care about informations. I am not saying that GTW doesn't have any bullsh*t in it's articles, but it's not spreading false info as often as Wikia. And Wikia is the source of all these bigfoots, ratmen, false references and other "myths". I am trusting myself and informations provided by game and it's producers. Wikia or GTW are only worth to check something you are not sure of. They are not good enough to base your beliefs on it.

Mansion in Westdyke is not reference to GTA III era. It's just a building.

OT: Leone Family were probably pushed to defence after GTA III and with Cipriani as a new don they probably continued its existence, but not without struggle. Saint Marks and Harwood belongs to them and their bussiness in Red Light are providing not very big, but stable flow of cash. Generally after event of GTA III all the powers are crippled, so we may as well assumed that police finally destroyed them.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:47 AM

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Have you actually read your answer. People are making pages like Wikia, it's not like this page can exist on it's own and create new articles.

Maybe you should be the one re-reading what you've written, that sentence makes no sense whatsoever. People don't make pages like Wikia. Wikia is the organisation that hosts the wikis you half-wit.
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I am not saying that GTW doesn't have any bullsh*t in it's articles, but it's not spreading false info as often as Wikia.

That's because GTW gets nowhere near as much exposed or users as GTAWiki does. If you type in a character from any video game most likely the first result on Google will be a wiki page.
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And Wikia is the source of all these bigfoots, ratmen, false references and other "myths".

Ha! You could not be further from the f*cking truth. It's mainly forums and boards that spread this kind of bullsh*t.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:48 AM Edited by Master of San Andreas, 24 September 2012 - 10:53 AM.

They got to busy with something else maybe? they thought after the downfall of sal they made their own gang but it dosen't show in the game. Maybe another gta would tell.........


I Don't think they thought they could take out claude on their own.... this just my opinion lol.gif



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Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:54 AM

The GTA Wikia is bullsh*t. Full of misinfo and half finished articles. GTAWiki is so much better it's insane. No wonder R* themselves have said they use GTAWiki for reference.

Anyhow, there's no way that mansions supposed to Sal's.

It's in Alderney, which is New Jersey. Sal's mansion is in St.Marks which is supposed to be Brooklyn.

Myth busted.




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