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Posted 05 April 2009 - 02:12 PM Edited by thales100, 05 April 2009 - 11:57 PM.

Edited and added a contribution by Vicetopia, the contrast control slider may be "reversed".

Well i did a reinstall of the game just to be sure hehe biggrin.gif , and yes it seems this wasnt fixed by the patch 1.0.3, the contrast and brightness options, in Display menu (in game menu) still seem to be swapped, i.e. when you adjust "Brightness" youre in fact adjusting contrast, or the contrast slider is reversed, when you "increase" it (as you do to saturation and brightness, moving to the right) youre in fact "decreasing" contrast.
Considering that the default adjustments (all at middle of the slide bars) is "lifeless" imo, im sure some players may be experiencing a not so good GFX experience due to this weird mistake - low contrast in this game will destroy a lot of its sharp appearance.
I remember that i noticed it when i started playing GTA 4 , then i forgot about it and only a recent comment of an user here at gtaf about one screenshot i posted made me realize that R* didnt fix the mistake (whatever it is) even after three patches.
Check some screenshots :

Display menu settings :Brightness 100 - Contrast 0%
(but the contrast in the screenshots is very high)

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Display menu settings :Brightness 0 - Contrast 100%
(but the contrast in the screenshots is absolutely low)

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Thats why i recommend an adjustment similiar to this, already "converted" to the R* menu options :

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 02:20 PM

3 patches and they haven't fixed this? How hard could it be to swap around a menu?

Saturation is always at a hundred for me. Makes the game look more bright.

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 02:22 PM

QUOTE (john88z @ Apr 5 2009, 14:20)
3 patches and they haven't fixed this? How hard could it be to swap around a menu?

Saturation is always at a hundred for me. Makes the game look more bright.

Yes i usually play with saturation at 100 too, btw i "fixed" this contrast x brightness issue in 40 secs using notepad++ lol lol.gif

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 04:45 PM Edited by Vicetopia, 05 April 2009 - 04:48 PM.

One of these pics is taken with Brightness 0%.
The other is taken with Contrast 0%.

Which is which?!?!
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http://i40.tinypic.com/2yltjsk.png
http://i39.tinypic.com/2ic8brl.png

Anyhow, the options aren't swapped, it's just that the Contrast option doesn't work very well.
Or maybe even not at all. It's more like a "Brightness #2" option, really...

Also the bar itself is reversed, turning the meter Up should make the image "darker" (More contrasted).
But in the game, turning the meter Down makes the image "darker", but it's not contrasting it. It's just turning down the Brightness. The actual Brightness meter does the same thing.

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 05:05 PM

QUOTE (Vicetopia @ Apr 5 2009, 16:45)
Anyhow, the options aren't swapped, it's just that the Contrast option doesn't work very well.

Are you blind ? Jeezz ... suicidal.gif

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 05:16 PM

Erm,thats why it looks so grayish on pc...gonna try this out

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 05:57 PM

That can be confusing. I play with brightness (actually contrast) and saturation 90% and contrast (actually brightness) about 10% - picture quality looks much better.

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 06:41 PM Edited by Vicetopia, 05 April 2009 - 06:50 PM.

QUOTE (thales100 @ Apr 5 2009, 12:05)
Are you blind ? Jeezz ...  suicidal.gif

Both options do the same thing, control brightness.
The contrast option doesn't even change the contrast.

edit;
Turning up the saturation makes the differences more noticable.
The Contrast bar does indeed change the contrast, but in reverse (Up is down, down is up).

The brightness levels are also changed by the contrast bar, which is the really strange part.
If you load a screenshot into a paint program and manually change the contrast, you'll see the contrast levels match the GTA4 settings, but the brightness from the GTA4 settings is different.

However the Brightness/Contrast controls aren't inverted, but they also aren't mutually exclusive... For whatever reason...

The brightness control is most certainly not contrast.
The contrast control is a little bit of contrast and also changes the brightness.

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 07:30 PM

QUOTE (Cr!minal @ Apr 5 2009, 17:57)
That can be confusing. I play with brightness (actually contrast) and saturation 90% and contrast (actually brightness) about 10% - picture quality looks much better.

lol yes, thats the point, why the hell did R* swap brightness and contrast options ? biggrin.gif

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 08:20 PM

QUOTE (thales100 @ Apr 5 2009, 14:30)
lol yes, thats the point, why the hell did R* swap brightness and contrast options ? biggrin.gif

They are quite obviously not swapped.

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 08:22 PM Edited by thales100, 05 April 2009 - 08:28 PM.

QUOTE (Vicetopia @ Apr 5 2009, 20:20)
They are quite obviously not swapped.

Loser, are you blind ? GTFO. die.gif

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 08:28 PM

It's obvious because the Brightness does not change the contrast.
Calling me names won't make you right.

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 08:30 PM

QUOTE (Vicetopia @ Apr 5 2009, 20:28)
It's obvious because the Brightness does not change the contrast.

Ive proved it with pics, please leave, youre so boring - always lying and ranting, GTFO thats all. rampage_ani.gif

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 08:32 PM

Put the Contras Line (which is usually Brightness) To 0 and the game looks much better!

Then put the Brightness line to 6 or more

thx for this topic that made my GTAIV look more realistic ..

with standard settings it looks grey everywhere biggrin.gif

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 08:32 PM

QUOTE (thales100 @ Apr 5 2009, 15:30)
Ive proved it with pics, please leave, youre so boring - always lying and ranting, GTFO thats all. rampage_ani.gif

Actually none of your pictures show any evidence of contrast at all.
Which is exactly the results I got earlier when I tested it myself.

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 08:33 PM

QUOTE (PharmacisT- @ Apr 5 2009, 20:32)
Put the Contras Line (which is usually Brightness) To 0 and the game looks much better!

Then put the Brightness line to 6 or more

thx for this topic that made my GTAIV look more realistic ..

with standard settings it looks grey everywhere biggrin.gif

Yes thats it, no doubt about it colgate.gif

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 08:40 PM

QUOTE (thales100 @ Apr 5 2009, 15:33)
Yes thats it, no doubt about it  colgate.gif

The problem is, the contrast meter is reversed.
Your first screenshots show contrast all the way down (Which is highly contrasted).
Your second screenshots show contrast all the way up (Which is lowly contrasted).

The Brightness/Contrast controls aren't themselves swapped.
The up/down slider on the Contrast is swapped. The change in contrast in your screenshots is not due to the Brightness control, but due to the inverted control of Contrast.

I hope you understand now.
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 08:41 PM

QUOTE (Vicetopia @ Apr 5 2009, 20:40)
The problem is, the contrast meter is reversed.

Wrong, always wrong - GTFO.

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 08:43 PM

QUOTE (thales100 @ Apr 5 2009, 15:41)
Wrong, always wrong - GTFO.

Actually, it's correct.
Check your screenshots.

Your first set is very bright and very contrasted.
Your second set is very dark and very un-contrasted.

The contrast is low/high in your sets not because of what you did to brightness, but because contrast is reversed.
You can go ingame yourself and see that the contrast controls (Whether on brightness or contrast control) is reversed.

Turning up the slider should increase the contrast.
In either case, turning up the slider reduces contrast. The opposite effect.

The controls are not reversed.
I hope you understand now.

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 08:44 PM

QUOTE (Vicetopia @ Apr 5 2009, 20:43)
Actually, it's correct.

No its not, keep your opinion, i dont care.

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 08:45 PM

QUOTE (thales100 @ Apr 5 2009, 15:44)
No its not, keep your opinion, i dont care.

Proof, sliders are reversed:
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You can go ingame yourself and see that the contrast controls (Whether on brightness or contrast control) is reversed.

Turning up the slider should increase the contrast.
In either case, turning up the slider reduces contrast. The opposite effect.

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 09:03 PM

QUOTE (Vicetopia @ Apr 5 2009, 20:45)
Proof, sliders are reversed:
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You can go ingame yourself and see that the contrast controls (Whether on brightness or contrast control) is reversed.

Turning up the slider should increase the contrast.
In either case, turning up the slider reduces contrast. The opposite effect.

I did some tests, you may be right, the contrast slider may be reversed, but its the only one with this issue, the saturation and brightness sliders are ok.

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 10:03 AM

This has been there since the beginning, yes it's even still in the console version. At first I thought I was getting mixed up with what brightness and contrast was, but then I realized GTA IV was the only game doing it the other way around...

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 10:06 AM

QUOTE (Weses @ Apr 6 2009, 10:03)
This has been there since the beginning, yes it's even still in the console version. At first I thought I was getting mixed up with what brightness and contrast was, but then I realized GTA IV was the only game doing it the other way around...

Yes, thats true, awful issue btw, could be fixed in some minutes of work and included in one of the patches. colgate.gif

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 12:19 PM

Maybe R* just haven't noticed, i mean, how hard can it be to recalibrate a slider in the options menu..

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 06:19 PM

Give Vicetopia some credit because he's right about slider settings too.

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 06:46 PM

QUOTE (Cr!minal @ Apr 6 2009, 18:19)
Give Vicetopia some credit because he's right about slider settings too.

The contrast slider in fact seems to be reversed (brightness and saturation are ok) , check the first post, i added yesterday a note about it and credits to Vicetopia.

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 08:47 PM

QUOTE (Cr!minal @ Apr 6 2009, 13:19)
Give Vicetopia some credit because he's right about slider settings too.

Of course I'm right.
I'm never wrong. I thought you guys would have learned that by now.
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Posted 06 April 2009 - 09:28 PM

Damn, catfight lol.... But seriously... guys take it easy, ok?

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 09:49 PM

QUOTE (Vicetopia @ Apr 6 2009, 20:47)
Of course I'm right.
I'm never wrong. I thought you guys would have learned that by now.
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First time in months i read something good and constructive from you, jeezz, cant believe but youre right, Vicetopia is right ! wow.gif wow.gif suicidal.gif




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