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Posted 17 February 2009 - 03:16 AM

I started a new GTA IV game a week ago and today I played the mission "No Way On The Subway" and basically the mission is Ray asks you to kill 3 members from the motorcycle gang "The Lost". This is where Niko chases 2 bikers on the subway, etc. At the end of the mission Niko calls Ray and says ....there was only 2 and other biker Johnny wasn't there".

So Niko was supposed to kill Johnny but he wasn't there. This must lead to something in TLAD???

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Posted 17 February 2009 - 03:19 AM

Most likely. If you read the Liberty Tree after that mission, you find out that one of those bikers was Jim Fitzgerald

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Posted 17 February 2009 - 03:25 AM

Why is the lost not firing at Niko, i mean in one mission in GTA IV, he killed that guys daughters boyfriend, then you had to kill about 4 other members of the lost also!

If god forgets and the lost don't, why the hell aint Niko dead?!

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Posted 17 February 2009 - 03:36 AM

Well.. Both niko and johnny are Uber... and

Both Niko & Johnny are gay lovers

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Posted 17 February 2009 - 03:39 AM

The Lost may not know that Niko killed their men....Remember, he killed all members that he chased down in those missions.

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Posted 17 February 2009 - 03:44 AM

QUOTE (Moss27 @ Feb 17 2009, 03:39)
The Lost may not know that Niko killed their men....Remember, he killed all members that he chased down in those missions.

Yeah and that all toke place way down there in the Subway tunnels.. so.. Take that into account baby. moto_whistle.gif

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Posted 17 February 2009 - 03:49 AM

My guess is this. Niko killed Jason on behalf of the Russians. The Lost think its fault of the Angels of Death, resulting to the kicking off of the biker war again(and with Billy's help). Time goes on and the Russians betray Niko, the Russians go to the Lost to ask them to kidnap Roman. Johnny initially says no, but Dimitri, being the snake he is, tells Johnny it was Niko who killed Jason to get Johnny on side. The Lost kidnap Roman and bring him to the Russians. Time goes by again until Ray Boccino and the diamond deal take place. Look at Niko's reaction at the start of "Museam piece" when Johnny is mentioned. "What's he doing there??!" Niko's obviously unhappy about his precense, and we don't know yet(and the dlc in a couple of hours will proberly explain" Johnny seizes his chance and escapes with the money, leaving Niko behind at the hands of the Jewish Mob and the Ancelotti's

We never see what happens after No Way on the Subway from Niko's perspective, but if one of the bikers was Jim Fitzgerald there's every chance that's going to have a major impact in The Lost and Damned. That we will have to see later on.

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 01:12 PM

I'll have to ask about this. None of the ones you kill in No Way On The Subway is Jim. You can clearly see that from this middle sequence .

None of them was Johnny either, obviously. But after Jim gets killed in TLAD, you can hear on the radio that he got killed in the subways. Is this sure? Maybe he just faked he's death then, as Niko didn't kill him. He thought he'd escape from everything if he pretended to be one of those guys Niko killed during that mission? wow.gif

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 01:30 PM

QUOTE (VickeX @ Feb 21 2009, 13:12)

None of them was Johnny either, obviously. But after Jim gets killed in TLAD, you can hear on the radio that he got killed in the subways. Is this sure? Maybe he just faked he's death then, as Niko didn't kill him. He thought he'd escape from everything if he pretended to be one of those guys Niko killed during that mission? wow.gif

Yeah that was Jim. R* wasnt sure wat was his final model thats why u see a different Jim in GTA IV than TLAD

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 02:36 PM

QUOTE (mrpain @ Feb 21 2009, 13:30)
QUOTE (VickeX @ Feb 21 2009, 13:12)

None of them was Johnny either, obviously. But after Jim gets killed in TLAD, you can hear on the radio that he got killed in the subways. Is this sure? Maybe he just faked he's death then, as Niko didn't kill him. He thought he'd escape from everything if he pretended to be one of those guys Niko killed during that mission? wow.gif

Yeah that was Jim. R* wasnt sure wat was his final model thats why u see a different Jim in GTA IV than TLAD

Seriously? None of them looks ANYTHING like Jim.

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 02:39 PM

That bald guy is Jim. Like I say, R* didnt know what was the final model of Jim. Oh and I hated that mission

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 02:53 PM

OK, we know TLAD doesn't change the content of IV (except for music) but how about this? Rockstar really missed an opportunity here if they didn't engineer the TLAD download to update the old Jim model in IV so it matches TLAD.

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 02:55 PM

QUOTE (Magic_Al @ Feb 21 2009, 14:53)
OK, we know TLAD doesn't change the content of IV (except for music) but how about this? Rockstar really missed an opportunity here if they didn't engineer the TLAD download to update the old Jim model in IV so it matches TLAD.

Yeah rahkstar2.gif should have let the content in TLAD to be in GTA IV too

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 03:03 PM

QUOTE (mrpain @ Feb 21 2009, 08:55)
QUOTE (Magic_Al @ Feb 21 2009, 14:53)
OK, we know TLAD doesn't change the content of IV (except for music) but how about this? Rockstar really missed an opportunity here if they didn't engineer the TLAD download to update the old Jim model in IV so it matches TLAD.

Yeah rahkstar2.gif should have let the content in TLAD to be in GTA IV too

I wouldn't go that far, they might be concerned about screwing up gameplay in IV if the new stuff gave Niko new abilities. But just replacing Jim seems like it should be harmless. I guess Rockstar had a hands-off attitude about changing IV because it's so complex and retesting it would have sucked time away from finishing TLAD.

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 03:24 PM

QUOTE (Tyla @ Feb 17 2009, 03:49)
My guess is this. Niko killed Jason on behalf of the Russians. The Lost think its fault of the Angels of Death, resulting to the kicking off of the biker war again(and with Billy's help). Time goes on and the Russians betray Niko, the Russians go to the Lost to ask them to kidnap Roman. Johnny initially says no, but Dimitri, being the snake he is, tells Johnny it was Niko who killed Jason to get Johnny on side. The Lost kidnap Roman and bring him to the Russians. Time goes by again until Ray Boccino and the diamond deal take place. Look at Niko's reaction at the start of "Museam piece" when Johnny is mentioned. "What's he doing there??!" Niko's obviously unhappy about his precense, and we don't know yet(and the dlc in a couple of hours will proberly explain" Johnny seizes his chance and escapes with the money, leaving Niko behind at the hands of the Jewish Mob and the Ancelotti's

We never see what happens after No Way on the Subway from Niko's perspective, but if one of the bikers was Jim Fitzgerald there's every chance that's going to have a major impact in The Lost and Damned. That we will have to see later on.

Johnny never meets Dimitri, only one of his goons, who only tells him to kidnap Roman. Nothing is mentioned about Niko killing Jason, although Billy knows that some Serb did it, but lies in order to start the war again and take the AoD's heroin. In the museum piece mission you hear Johnny say "Come on man - just get the stuff". He is still working with Niko, for Boccino, but then Niko runs off, thinking Johnny took the money just for himself, and then Ray betrays Johnny by sending men to the side entrance of the museum to ambush him.

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 03:28 PM

QUOTE (Derelict Frog @ Feb 21 2009, 15:24)
In the museum piece mission you hear Johnny say "Come on man - just get the stuff". He is still working with Niko, for Boccino, but then Niko runs off, thinking Johnny took the money just for himself, and then Ray betrays Johnny by sending men to the side entrance of the museum to ambush him.

Yup. And for the other thing you wrote, you quoted a guy which wrote what i thought / expected before TLAD came out, so he wouldn't really know. smile.gif He wasn't to wrong though.

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 03:46 PM

QUOTE (mrpain @ Feb 21 2009, 14:39)
That bald guy is Jim. Like I say, R* didnt know what was the final model of Jim. Oh and I hated that mission

the guy on the right is supposed to be jim.

in TLAD, when you give jim the briefcase, he is on his bike right next to that same bald guy on the left of the pic.

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 04:22 PM

Yeah, it is Jim Niko chases, that part isn't really negotiable, as it even stays that way in the online news article. However, those who have played know they decided to give Jim a different fate after being hunted down by Niko...

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 04:25 PM

different fate? how

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 04:47 PM

Jim from L&D user posted image

Jim from GTA IV user posted image

They look nothing like. dontgetit.gif

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 04:49 PM

at the very least they could have used the new character model from TLAD to "retcon" patch the unknown jim model from GTA4 (bearded guy to the right). George Lucas does it.

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 05:21 PM

QUOTE (AntiPersonnel @ Feb 21 2009, 10:49)
at the very least they could have used the new character model from TLAD to "retcon" patch the unknown jim model from GTA4 (bearded guy to the right). George Lucas does it.

Lucas' digital techniques blur the lines between movies and video games, but to be fair to Rockstar, LucasArts once had a even crazier inconsistency back in the original Jedi Knight game, where the in-game model of the main character Kyle Katarn was clean-shaven, but the live-action actor playing him in cutscenes had a full beard.

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 06:12 PM

i was referring to retconning hayden christensen into return of the jedi.

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 06:21 PM

Niko wasn't meant to kill Johnny in the subway mission, as after he has killed Jim and the other biker and gives Ray a call, Ray tells Niko that someone else is meant to be taking care of Johnny.

So no, Niko wasn't supposed to kill Johnny.

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 09:26 PM

actually after johnny gives jim the briefcase john calls boccino and tells him he doesnt have the money, jim leaves with the money, after he leaves the alley, those two bikers stayed, which then niko kills. then somehow ray managed to kidnap jim remember!!!!!! JOHNNY SAVES HIM BUT THEN THEY SEPARATE TO GO TO THE CLUBHOUSE, JIM NEVER MAKES IT, THIS ALL HAPPENS AFTER NIKO CHASES THOSE TWO BIKERS tounge.gif

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 10:22 PM

QUOTE (OG360 @ Feb 21 2009, 21:26)
actually after johnny gives jim the briefcase john calls boccino and tells him he doesnt have the money, jim leaves with the money, after he leaves the alley, those two bikers stayed, which then niko kills. then somehow ray managed to kidnap jim remember!!!!!! JOHNNY SAVES HIM BUT THEN THEY SEPARATE TO GO TO THE CLUBHOUSE, JIM NEVER MAKES IT, THIS ALL HAPPENS AFTER NIKO CHASES THOSE TWO BIKERS tounge.gif

No. Why can't people just accept that Niko killed Jim. It reported everywhere (radio, internet, speech) that Jim Fitzgerald was found dead on the subway after a chase.

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 10:37 PM

QUOTE (Tyla @ Feb 17 2009, 03:49)
My guess is this. Niko killed Jason on behalf of the Russians. The Lost think its fault of the Angels of Death, resulting to the kicking off of the biker war again(and with Billy's help). Time goes on and the Russians betray Niko, the Russians go to the Lost to ask them to kidnap Roman. Johnny initially says no, but Dimitri, being the snake he is, tells Johnny it was Niko who killed Jason to get Johnny on side. The Lost kidnap Roman and bring him to the Russians. Time goes by again until Ray Boccino and the diamond deal take place. Look at Niko's reaction at the start of "Museam piece" when Johnny is mentioned. "What's he doing there??!" Niko's obviously unhappy about his precense, and we don't know yet(and the dlc in a couple of hours will proberly explain" Johnny seizes his chance and escapes with the money, leaving Niko behind at the hands of the Jewish Mob and the Ancelotti's

We never see what happens after No Way on the Subway from Niko's perspective, but if one of the bikers was Jim Fitzgerald there's every chance that's going to have a major impact in The Lost and Damned. That we will have to see later on.

Not true. Johnny kidnapps Roman in order to get Ashley out of debt, and the lost knew that a serb/russian/polish guy who kill Jason. Billy made up a lie and said that the AOD killed Jason so that Johnny would help kill them and get the heroin for the Lost.

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 01:14 AM

QUOTE (gregrein @ Feb 21 2009, 22:37)
QUOTE (Tyla @ Feb 17 2009, 03:49)
My guess is this. Niko killed Jason on behalf of the Russians. The Lost think its fault of the Angels of Death, resulting to the kicking off of the biker war again(and with Billy's help). Time goes on and the Russians betray Niko, the Russians go to the Lost to ask them to kidnap Roman. Johnny initially says no, but Dimitri, being the snake he is, tells Johnny it was Niko who killed Jason to get Johnny on side. The Lost kidnap Roman and bring him to the Russians. Time goes by again until Ray Boccino and the diamond deal take place. Look at Niko's reaction at the start of "Museam piece" when Johnny is mentioned. "What's he doing there??!" Niko's obviously unhappy about his precense, and we don't know yet(and the dlc in a couple of hours will proberly explain" Johnny seizes his chance and escapes with the money, leaving Niko behind at the hands of the Jewish Mob and the Ancelotti's

We never see what happens after No Way on the Subway from Niko's perspective, but if one of the bikers was Jim Fitzgerald there's every chance that's going to have a major impact in The Lost and Damned. That we will have to see later on.

Not true. Johnny kidnapps Roman in order to get Ashley out of debt, and the lost knew that a serb/russian/polish guy who kill Jason. Billy made up a lie and said that the AOD killed Jason so that Johnny would help kill them and get the heroin for the Lost.

Dude he wrote this before the game came out so its a pritty good guess if you ask me

OT:YEAh im with frog on this one why cant people get it in to there heads NIKO KILLED JIM!

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 01:17 AM

I would say one of two things happens:

1. TLAD changed the story so that after the chase with Niko, Jim gets taken by Ray instead ofd ying, and is then tortured, which he dies from.

or

2. The Niko chase actually happens after Jim and Johnny escape Ray, and Niko does kill Jim.

I'm really not sure. Because you see Johnny give the suitcase to Jim and the other biker from No Way in the Subway, and they're even in the alley where that mission starts.

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Posted 04 March 2009 - 11:45 PM

QUOTE (Derelict Frog @ Feb 21 2009, 15:24)
QUOTE (Tyla @ Feb 17 2009, 03:49)
My guess is this. Niko killed Jason on behalf of the Russians. The Lost think its fault of the Angels of Death, resulting to the kicking off of the biker war again(and with Billy's help). Time goes on and the Russians betray Niko, the Russians go to the Lost to ask them to kidnap Roman. Johnny initially says no, but Dimitri, being the snake he is, tells Johnny it was Niko who killed Jason to get Johnny on side. The Lost kidnap Roman and bring him to the Russians. Time goes by again until Ray Boccino and the diamond deal take place. Look at Niko's reaction at the start of "Museam piece" when Johnny is mentioned. "What's he doing there??!" Niko's obviously unhappy about his precense, and we don't know yet(and the dlc in a couple of hours will proberly explain" Johnny seizes his chance and escapes with the money, leaving Niko behind at the hands of the Jewish Mob and the Ancelotti's

We never see what happens after No Way on the Subway from Niko's perspective, but if one of the bikers was Jim Fitzgerald there's every chance that's going to have a major impact in The Lost and Damned. That we will have to see later on.

Johnny never meets Dimitri, only one of his goons, who only tells him to kidnap Roman. Nothing is mentioned about Niko killing Jason, although Billy knows that some Serb did it, but lies in order to start the war again and take the AoD's heroin. In the museum piece mission you hear Johnny say "Come on man - just get the stuff". He is still working with Niko, for Boccino, but then Niko runs off, thinking Johnny took the money just for himself, and then Ray betrays Johnny by sending men to the side entrance of the museum to ambush him.

i thought johnny hired the dude who ambushed the deal with the ak from the window




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