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Posted 29 January 2009 - 01:47 PM

trust me Rifles (Some and it depends on how far you are and the angle) can cut of arms, legs

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Posted 30 January 2009 - 08:51 AM

People lust after things they're told they're not allowed to see/do. So GTA does appeal very strongly to kids, just by the fact that it is aimed at adults. That was a sweeping, unfounded first statement by the way tounge.gif

It's pretty similar to the film industry really, but as some have said, alot of the world still has computer games pegged for children, which is a problem. Hopefully someday the industry will come to maturity and balance commercial needs (ie game shops stocking the games) with consumer needs (varying age groups).


Hot Coffee. I've seen Hot Coffee used as a reason fr avoiding certain content alot. The actual problem with Hot Coffee was nothing to do with avoiding content. Yes, they may have left it out the game to get a commercable classification, but the problems only arose because the game was classified without the material being considered, since it wasn't meant to be included. It is also pretty clear that all content that could be accessed by a player had to be submitted, so in Rockstar not submitting the material they truely did not intend for the material to be on the disc. Deliberately deceiving classification boards would be very stupid for a company to do if it wanted to stay in business.


However, all that aside, I'm not sure I personally want a more violent GTA. I like to have fun in GTA and more morbib attention to gore might make the world that little bit more depressing to subject myself to. Flying limbs from explosions would be fun though tounge.gif

(Commercable - I think I made this word up tounge.gif )

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#33

Posted 30 January 2009 - 08:59 AM

Here's the deal: I don't think Rockstar deceived anybody, necessarily. What they did was negligence, since they were working on something that was not going to fly come ratings time unless the goal was getting the game rated AO and/or banned in several countries. They figured it'd be harmless hidden in the code of the game where normal gamers never go, but modders are a different story wow.gif

Where Rockstar lied is when the story broke, and they claimed the content was created entirely by the mod when it was not - the mod simply made the minigame playable.

Anyway, the goal for Rockstar is to drum up enough controversy but not too much. We'll see what happens when GTA returns to a Nintendo platform with Chinatown Wars.

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Posted 30 January 2009 - 12:26 PM

Well look at BIA hell highway yeah? if you blow up some crowds, you see their arms fly, but it aint TOO gore, just a arm flying off.
I think they could do that without losing too many buyers, but if they make it a bloody hell, it aint GTA anymore

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Posted 30 January 2009 - 12:43 PM

QUOTE (Koik @ Jan 28 2009, 21:10)
QUOTE (GTASIX @ Jan 28 2009, 08:13)
I want one shot to put a guy down. Not have him run away instantly.

That would make the game extremly easy. Also you would die in one shot aswell.

1 shot for peds, more shots for cops and more shots for swat team and your main character damage can be even higher.

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Posted 31 January 2009 - 03:48 PM

Unfortunatly, there is a limit on the ammount of gore allowed in video games in some countries, so the developers usually tone it down so that it will make it past the censors in the important markets.

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Posted 02 February 2009 - 07:16 PM

QUOTE (Cran. @ Jan 28 2009, 12:35)
QUOTE (xcelr8armo @ Jan 28 2009, 22:56)
LOL GTA is aimed at little kids, more then half the peopel that buy the game are probably under age that cried to their mums, if there to much gore they would have less buyers sad.gif

sucks though.

anyway Unreal Tournment always gets away with it and that game has CRAZY gore. I was looking for realistic gore kinda like Rambo but less excessive and frequent.

What the hell are you on about, you idiot?

The game has an M rating and a lot of pop culture based humor. It's intended for mature audience.

xcelr8armo is completely right! mature, so what? children can be mature? and if you dont belive that your stupid... and yes, gta is not aimed AT little kids but it is kids and people who are underage who buy it mainley... also, the game would instantley be better if they had half descent gore... the way they advertise gta in a way that they say stuff like "this game should not be played by children or minors" makes it appeal to them more! if i say "dont think of a black cat" the first thing you think about is a black cat!!! its simple....

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Posted 03 February 2009 - 06:42 AM

IJM hit the nail on the head, even though it was a third party mod you had to download to unlock/open this, as well as it being only on the PC version (well, it was probably included in the first released SA versions for PS2, but inaccessible) people still freaked and the media jumped all over Rockstar.

What I find ridiculous is people who ket their child (talking 7-12 years of age) play this game, which then allows the media to tell Rockstar the game needs to be edited "for children/younger audiences" There is an "M" rating for a reason, kids aren't suppose to be playing the game!


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Posted 03 February 2009 - 01:38 PM

I don't get it. I remember blowing a motherf*cker's intestines out with a shotgun in Soldier of Fortune, and that game didn't get banned or nothin.

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Posted 03 February 2009 - 02:10 PM

If you want gore, gore and more gore, buy Dead Rising icon14.gif

But seriously, I loved to play GTAIII with that code where you could blow limbs off. Would be awesome to see it in IV

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Posted 03 February 2009 - 02:12 PM

That would be nice if the limbs (dunno if that's the right way to say it) could be like in GTA 3 ;]

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Posted 04 February 2009 - 04:45 AM

QUOTE (ChrisMathers3501 @ Feb 3 2009, 13:38)
I don't get it. I remember blowing a motherf*cker's intestines out with a shotgun in Soldier of Fortune, and that game didn't get banned or nothin.

yea that's what im trying to say, other games get away with it but rockstar has like a 6 star wanted level on its head lol

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Posted 07 February 2009 - 08:15 PM

More gore doesn't mean better gameplay, enhanced realism or more sales and it could actually become disturbing.
GTA is more about having fun and roleplaying, than stimulating your killer instincts. rolleyes.gif
Jack Thompson hasn't been a threat ever since he'd been disbarred, but this doesn't stop parents or ignorant politicians from freaking out and starting a holy crusade against videogames.

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Posted 07 February 2009 - 09:41 PM

Also the peds in GTA IV run very slowly and awkwardly, but that's euphoria's fault.

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 02:34 AM

Jack Thompson's Credibility as a lawyer and a human is gone. He claims to be anti-video game Violence when he's so old fashioned that he hates anything that's new. At one point i think he complained about the Sims ffs. If you complain about things like that then you are an absolute fool. And mortal combat and crap he's an old foolish man who's lost touch with the rest of the world and wants to bring it back to apple pie and playing catch with the family dog down at the farm before going to the swimming hole 1950's sh*t. His credibility is completely f*cked and i will explain why NO ONE should listen to him.

"In October 2006, Thompson sent a letter to Midway Games, demanding they cease and desist selling the latest game in the Mortal Kombat series, Mortal Kombat: Armageddon, claiming that the game was illegally profiting on his likeness, because gamers could use the Kreate a Fighter option to make a character who looked like Jack Thompson"

"In July 2005, Thompson sent a letter to several politicians urging them to investigate The Sims 2, alleging that the game contained nudity accessible by entering special codes"

"Beginning in 2005, Thompson supported a campaign to discourage Take-Two’s subsidiary, Rockstar Games, from releasing a game called Bully, in which, according to Thompson, "what you are in effect doing is rehearsing your physical revenge and violence against those whom you have been victimized by. And then you, like Klebold and Harris in Columbine, become the ultimate bully. Thompson sued Wal-Mart, Best Buy, Target, Circuit City, GameStop, and Toys 'R' Us, seeking an order to bar the game’s release."

A bit of copy pasting crap never hurt anyone lol. But seriously... if that wasn't enough... go here... A modest Video Game Proposal.

God when he dies the net will flame him so hard.

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 11:24 AM

Well I have a realistic weapon mod (which gives realistic rate of fire) and with a little tweak on the damage system, it looks very realistic, but not really enjoyable. I had to lower the damages, cuz it was realistic to kill a man with 1 shot of an M4, but I have to admit, you wouldn't be able to finish any missions with it. Now my weapon mod is tweaked, so it's enjoyable and it's still realistic. 2 or max 3 shots of a pistol round (usually 2 is enough) and the cop is dead. But what I couldn't manage to "tweak" is the damage of the cars. For example when I made a realistic shotgun, that could kill any1 who was close enough to me, it took only 3 shots to blow up a car, which was unrealistic since we know cars DO NOT explode.

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 10:37 PM

QUOTE (xcelr8armo @ Jan 28 2009, 13:35)
Barratt M107 for e.g. can cut a man in half and a number of assault rifles can shoot of arms, legs if shot correctly.

It would just be so cool to be in the middle of a mission when cops come and you through a grenade in the middle of them and see a sea of blood with like legs flying in the air. LOL

I'm guessing that gore turns you on? Weird.

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 01:52 AM

QUOTE (Kevin143 @ Feb 9 2009, 17:37)
QUOTE (xcelr8armo @ Jan 28 2009, 13:35)
Barratt M107 for e.g. can cut a man in half and a number of assault rifles can shoot of arms, legs if shot correctly.

It would just be so cool to be in the middle of a mission when cops come and you through a grenade in the middle of them and see a sea of blood with like legs flying in the air. LOL

I'm guessing that gore turns you on? Weird.

That's exactly what I was thinking when I read through the OP's posts. He probably thinks that the Saw and Hostel movies are the pinnacle of horror, what with his obsession with gore and his calling it "a shame" that a GTA game would get slapped with an AO if it had realistic gore.

Seriously, what's the purpose of having gore? It doesn't add anything to the gameplay other than a visceral thrill - one that starts to become boring after the hundredth time you've blown a guy's limbs off. It's taxing on the game engine to render all those little giblets flying everywhere, and it would only attract more unwanted attention from our self-proclaimed moral guardians at Fox News. Plus, can the player character get mutilated? If so, then my suspension of disbelief regarding GTA's hospital-based resurrection system would be stretched even further. If not, then you've got a double standard - one that becomes painfully obvious as the player character gets flung like a ragdoll by the same explosions that blow others to pieces. Rockstar's better off leaving the gore to the guys who make the Manhunt games.

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 02:16 AM

Manhunt IS made by Rockstar. tounge.gif

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 03:45 AM

QUOTE (Neon25 @ Feb 9 2009, 21:16)
Manhunt IS made by Rockstar. tounge.gif

I know that. My mistake. I should have said "the team" to make it a bit clearer - I see how it could have been misinterpreted.

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 01:34 AM

Man, this thread makes me want to play vice city. If I wasn't so lazy to find the game I would right now!

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Posted 17 February 2009 - 07:51 PM

QUOTE (xcelr8armo @ Jan 28 2009, 12:26)
LOL GTA is aimed at little kids, more then half the peopel that buy the game are probably under age that cried to their mums, if there to much gore they would have less buyers sad.gif


That is true, I'm under age (I just made my forum name same as my PSN, which was a F*** up), I was like 6 or 7, when I got the original GTA, 11 when I got GTA 3, and 15 when I got GTA IV (on the day it was released) cookie.gif

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Posted 19 February 2009 - 07:56 AM

QUOTE (NMDanny @ Jan 29 2009, 13:38)
Fallout 3 have an gore perk, but its very gory and unrealistic
GTA Series slowly have less and less gore
in vice city you can cut the legs, arms head, in gta san andreas only head, and in iv you can't , you can just see blood on clothes
GTA Sa and IV are already 17+ , 18+ is for porn etc(gta iv got hookers and gta iv is 18+)
maybe because graphics? what is more scary? seeing someone's head cutted in sucky graphics and looks just like something red? or seeing someone head cutted in realistic graphics like crysis/gta iv, almost like real life.

about lawsuits and jack homopson im not sure, the game is already 18+ in most countries, if not then 17+

but im 11 and i have no problem with any video game, i play much bloody and gore games. but im actually scared from mutants(staler clear sky, fallout, when i was small doom 3..)

but maybe the less gore is for realism, an single m4 bullet wont cut an arm/head (like in vice city)
actually no rifle can at all, only explosion (and actually explosions don't make gore at any gta game)

That statement is utter failure. yes a rifle can decapitate someone if trajectory is right. Anyone ever watched the making of Shooter. they explain how they had to make the sniper scene unrealistic as at that distance the bullet would be coming almost straight down on top of his skull, with a strong possibility of loss of limbs to the tearget.

It is in fact possible to decapitate someone with a rifle. quit saying it isnt, if you would take the time to read about firearms and simple common sense then you could understand this.

With that said, most of you saying because Rockstar is on a tighter leash nowadays are right. they have to watch what they do, and i dont mind because i dont really give two craps if when i shoot someone if their polygon of a head comes off.

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#54

Posted 19 February 2009 - 06:42 PM

You really want Niko to get his arms blown off so he can run around and not do anything, I think the gore is at a fine level right now I don't want to shoot someone and see their intestines fall out in the street or see legs and a sea of blood.

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 01:23 AM

dude, have you ever played gta 3?!!?!??? The game lets you shoot peoples arms and legs and head off! So you could only have a chest lying on the ground!

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 08:08 PM

its because of R* being under a damned microscope from politicians like Secretary of State Clinton. R* doesnt want their game to be banned in the U.S. or anywhere else for that matter.

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 08:11 PM

QUOTE (kid23455 @ Feb 21 2009, 01:23)
dude, have you ever played gta 3?!!?!??? The game lets you shoot peoples arms and legs and head off! So you could only have a chest lying on the ground!

Actually, no. You're thinking of F3.
In GTA, you can't damage people's bodies any further after they're dead. I think.




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