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Posted 11 August 2008 - 08:03 PM Edited by Lance_Ryder, 29 December 2013 - 08:00 PM.

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Posted 11 August 2008 - 08:42 PM

Even if it is set in 1999 then it cant be Claude because he dates catalina beofore 2001 and she is no where to be seen in GTA 2... and also in the GTA 2 intro movie Claude dies at the end...

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Posted 11 August 2008 - 08:53 PM Edited by Lance_Ryder, 29 December 2013 - 08:00 PM.

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Posted 11 August 2008 - 09:51 PM

I just found some more evidence. Enter the following code;

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And you will have a gta2-like view from the sky. Cars have normal view, though.

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Posted 11 August 2008 - 10:27 PM

press the change view button...

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Posted 11 August 2008 - 11:09 PM

Maybe because it's the future, Claude used a time machine and went to 1992, but whoever let him go back made him mute so he wouldn't mess up the space-time continum by saying something about the future.
If this is the case, he would be 37 in 2001.

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Posted 12 August 2008 - 12:34 AM

You guys need to give it a rest, my God... this is almost as bad as those INSANE 9/11 conspiracy theories.

Claude Speed = GTA2, right?

I think it's safe to say that GTA1 and GTA2 are well within their own universes.

GTA3 featured a nameless, voiceless character modeled after the actor in the promo video for GTA2.

The video? Here it is:

See the similarities between the actor in the video, and "fido" from GTA3? More than coincidence, Rockstar needed to model the GTA3 character after SOMEONE, so who better than this guy?

He was a nameless anti-hero. That's all, folks. When GTA3 was released, there was no intended linking to any other story - GTA2 or otherwise. It's the same guy, but the only thing that carried over was the look and the name. GTA3 and its story was created with the idea that GTA1 and GTA2 never happened - different universe.

San Andreas foreshadowed the events of GTA3, so yes, GTA3 Claude and SA Claude are the same guy.

GIVE IT A REST.

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Posted 12 August 2008 - 01:43 AM Edited by Lance_Ryder, 29 December 2013 - 08:01 PM.

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Posted 12 August 2008 - 01:59 AM

About the age discrepancies, the description for GTA2 mentioned Claude Speed being cryogenicly frozen in prison, so that's why he wasn't much older.

I always say it's the same character to at least try to link the first two GTA's to the modern series.

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Posted 12 August 2008 - 02:07 AM Edited by Lance_Ryder, 29 December 2013 - 08:01 PM.

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Posted 12 August 2008 - 04:14 AM

This sill not be proven until R* says, stop arguing because people are gonna be argueing all the time. It's like how the Universe started it's all specultaions.

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Posted 12 August 2008 - 09:02 AM

It would make much more sense actualy.... Claude gets busted goes to jail for a few years in this "sleep" and wakes up the same age in the future.

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Posted 12 August 2008 - 04:40 PM

QUOTE (rugbyrules @ Aug 12 2008, 11:02)
It would make much more sense actualy.... Claude gets busted goes to jail for a few years in this "sleep" and wakes up the same age in the future. This thing with the cryo freezing is a tall-story

This is not true

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Posted 12 August 2008 - 09:03 PM

Well you don't know that for sure if you could find any evidence agaisnt this then please get it smile.gif .

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Posted 12 August 2008 - 09:05 PM Edited by Lance_Ryder, 29 December 2013 - 08:01 PM.

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Posted 12 August 2008 - 09:53 PM

QUOTE (Lance_Ryder @ Aug 12 2008, 23:05)
they have a supported site called http://www.gtasanandreas.net. On that site it, in the characters section, they refer to Claude as Claude Speed.

This is site is by gtanet, not by R* biggrin.gif

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Posted 12 August 2008 - 11:23 PM Edited by Lance_Ryder, 29 December 2013 - 08:01 PM.

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Posted 13 August 2008 - 11:28 PM

Ok, so based off of this new evidence, here is the time line, given that GTA 2 and GTA 3 are in the same universe:

1. Vice City
2. San Andreas
3. GTA III
4. GTA 2

You guys are aware of the fact that Rockstar is just making up the connections as they go along, right? There wasn't some pre-written story with the entire life and times of Claude Speed.

This is almost EXACTLY like the argument that you can find evidence of Alyx in Half-Life 1, despite the fact that she wasn't even created until Half-Life 2 was created, and they just retro-fitted her into the storyline.

Let me put it this way, folks... Gaming since the year 2000 has made a dramatic change. Before then, MOST games (the original Grand Theft Auto and GTA 2 included) had not-so ambitious story lines. Yes, there was a story, but the main focus of the game was on the game play.

Since games are becoming increasingly movie-like, story lines are being fleshed out to the point where they're actually going back and tying in previous older games into the modern story lines, most of the time just because they fit together. When those older games were made, they did not have these newer games in mind.

Claude Speed in GTA2? Yes. BUT, when he was in GTA2, they did not have his story in GTA3 with Catalina written, they did not have his cameo in San Andreas written, Claude Speed was just a random name assigned to a character in order to attach some form of story telling to a game that was mainly focused on gameplay.

Come GTA 3, Claude Speed stuck around if only for the reason that this was a generation of Grand Theft Auto but they wanted to bring over something old, even if it was just for nostalgia.

Claude Speed in Liberty City? That's combining GTA 1 and GTA 2 now, isn't it?

Sort of like how GTA IV features Liberty City - but it's a completely different Liberty City than the one in GTA 1 or GTA 3. The story line is complicating the simple act of remaking a great idea with new technology.

STOP READING SO MUCH INTO IT.

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Posted 13 August 2008 - 11:33 PM Edited by Lance_Ryder, 29 December 2013 - 08:01 PM.

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 04:19 PM

I posted this in another Claude thread some months ago.

In the GTA II tv ad you get to see a bio of him for some seconds, and it says that he's 27 years old and that is somewhere far in the future. He was probably about 20 to 30 years old in SA back in 1992 which means he minimum should be 41 years old in 2013. I don't really care for this whole Claude thing, but i felt i had to point it out.

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 05:14 PM

That was pointed out on the first page.

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 11:38 PM

different dimension, cannon whatever

just a coincidence

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Posted 17 August 2008 - 08:05 PM

he went through a chronic sleep though....this would possibley explain a lot...

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Posted 17 August 2008 - 09:13 PM

I think they are not the same guy tounge.gif

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Posted 22 August 2008 - 09:10 AM

I could be and It could be not,and I don't care

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Posted 22 August 2008 - 10:04 AM

QUOTE (okei @ Aug 16 2008, 10:38)
different dimension, cannon whatever

just a coincidence

Exactly. The only connection they have as far as I'm concerned is they both have Claude as their first name.

It's like saying that Carl dude in one of Marty Chonk's missions is CJ, because he's black, and his first name is Carl. (I sh*t you not someone actually thought they were the same on another forum)

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Posted 26 September 2008 - 02:19 PM

I've ranted on this one before so I'll just leave you with this...

UNIVERSE ONE: GTA, GTA 2, LONDON 61, LONDON 69

UNIVERSE TWO: GTA3, VC, SA, LSS, VCS

UNIVERSE THREE: GTA4

"Rockstar president Sam Houser—discussing the development of GTAIII in an interview with Edge magazine—said:

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"...there’s been a lot of debate about these things—like whether [the GTAIII lead character's] name is Claude Speed, or whether he’sthis or he’s that—and it was a lot less planned out than that." - Edge magazine (2008-03-16).


His name was in the code but the code isn't used in the game and the reason is because the original idea was to let you name the character yourself, Claude was the DEFAULT name in homage to GTA2.

A quote from WikiGTA:

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"Claude Speed is the protagonist of GTA2, as mentioned in the credits and manual of GTA2, as well as in GTA2: The Movie. It is possible Claude is based on this character."


And a few more points...

1) Some differences are notable, such as slightly different clothes and another hair color

2) Claude does not speak in GTA3, but Claude Speed does in GTA2: The Movie

3) The name 'Claude Speed' was never used in the GTA3 series of games. The name 'Claude' wasn't actually used ingame until GTA San Andreas, probably as a homage to the fans.

4) Claude hasn't aged in twelve years if GTA2 is set in 2013

5) GTA2 and GTA III are not set in the same canon.

So, no, they are not the same person but as has been said earlier, Claude may be an 'alternate universe' Claude Speed.

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Posted 07 October 2008 - 12:18 AM

yes the explations are

remember claude speed was frozen by the zamistuma and was reasled at the begining of GTA2
anywhere city looks a lot like liberty from 3
why would R* have two GTA charathers named Cluade
zamistuma was mentioned in GTA 3 so proabaly 1 week after GTA 3 claude was frozen til 2013 o no aging
he worked for mob bosses cuz by 2013 (11 years later) someone proably got his cash
also how does anyone know if GTA 2 was released in the same canon or not? even though the name is 2 why are the zamistuma in 3?

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Posted 07 October 2008 - 09:18 PM

Beause III is realistic and 2 isn't.

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Posted 08 October 2008 - 01:02 AM

[QUOTE]Beause III is realistic and 2 isn't
that logic is flawed GTA advanced in in GTA3's universe as a matter of fact its only a year before GTA3
Chinatown Wars is in the same Universe as GTA 4 and they are the most far apart as far as realsim is concered so you might want to think of another reason tounge.gif tounge.gif tounge.gif




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