| You might try listening to what other people are saying instead of assuming you know better than them. |
Chill out man, i told you to relax, like i said, it's a theory, it doesn't mean it's the absolute truth, i already told you it was something i noticed as a cause for dissapointment in some fans of the series, that's it, please, don't take it badly.
| How is the second part above an example of complaining for the sake of doing it, or of complaining at all? Pointing out that the story is incomplete and that the protagonist isn't as fully developed in IV as in SA isn't a complaint; it's an observation. |
It's an opinion, not an observation, at least you should acknowledge that, first, because like you said, your opinion isn't better than the other peoples'.
| Those themes are evidence that the stories in IV and SA are equally mature. I don't see this story as that much of a leap, but if you have some evidence to the contrary, then please present it. |
Let's get the facts straight, both stories from both games were awesome, but they're not equally mature, SA was a very simple and derivative story of african american gangs, nothing really new, and which made effort to be similar to the stories it was based off, such as Boyz N' The Hood and Menace 2 Society, in the end the story wasn't really about revenge, nor justice, it was about rising to the top, about the struggle of a young man to reach high.
Now in IV, the most shocking thing in the game in story terms is that the main character despises all of which CJ and Tommy stood for, he doesn't want money, houses or the big life, he wants peace in his conscience, he wants the anger to stop cosuming him, he REALLY wants revenge, sick, sad and cold revenge, as dirty as you can get, this already puts you in a more emotional stand in GTA, one which we had merely scouted in SA with Brian's death, but not as close as with Niko. The other reason why the story is so good, it's because it's product of research that R* mentioned they did, this research was about the status of crime in these days, and they got the answer that being a criminal is harder than before, which we can clearly see in the game in the form of Faustin, Dimitri, Pegorino, Boccino, Gerry and countless of other characters who really are struggling, it adds more depth and a different layer to what crime is today.
| And btw, maybe you'd like to explain the "symbolism" you've found in the story. Don't just ask the questions - go ahead and answer them. |
I'm not talking to myself here, that's what i made this topic for, those questions were for you, anyways, have it your way:
When i asked about Gambetti, i meant Gravelli, i always confuse the names, but Gravelli is supposed to be the old kind of cosa nostra man, the classic old REAL gangster, the character itself, apart from being more than 80 years old, is a tribute to what we all know as "The Italian Mafia" and the decay it's been having over the years, because of RICO laws, the FBI. Pegorino for example is the leftover that came from the decay of the cosa nostra, goons with nothing more than ambition and greed and no brains or honor, if you could say it that way.
When i asked about the most important difference between Roman and Niko, i was talking about the time both set their minds on, Niko's greatest weakness is himself, he has planted roots so incredibly deep in the past that it is practically impossible for him to find what he really is after, which is clearness and peace. While Roman on the contrary is always living in the future, very deep inside he wasn't lying to Niko when he told him that he had mansions and cars because in Roman's mind he was already living in them, Roman was so down and into the future that he saw the present only as a mere obstacle that needed to be tackled.
When i asked about the foreign character's, well, the very simple fact that everyone who lives or has been to New York knows that it is the capital of the world, seriously, what CAN'T you find in a city like that?
Talking straight man, don't you think those things were great? it was improvement, i can only wait and hope just how better will be the story for the next GTA, just try to get more into it, sure it doesn't suck you in like other games, but it's got some great stuff in there.