Universal Wrestling Topic
Posted 07 July 2013 - 12:28 PM
Posted 07 July 2013 - 09:56 PM
|QUOTE (billy james @ Saturday, Jul 6 2013, 22:20)|
@Flesh. Punk didn't kill ratings mate. Cena was still the focal point of almost every Raw with him main eventing or/and cutting a promo to end the show (Or before his main event match.) even though Punk was champ, the focus was on Cena. Not sure if Punk took a sh*t in your cheerios or something but he's not why the ratings went down hill. It's the predictable ass booking and same old sh*t.
Posted 07 July 2013 - 11:24 PM
|QUOTE (billy james @ Sunday, Jul 7 2013, 04:54)|
|It don't say anything about a 434 days title Reign, it's only says title reign|
But the title reign was referred to in past tense. Cena is the current champion and the last reign he had that lasted a long time was 6 years ago.
@Shenmue: I'm talking about after Raw 1000. Ratings decreased so fast and Punk had all the spotlight. Every show from September onwards got below 3s. I mean 3 hours didn't help matters but when somebody is so terrible with ratings and still gets to be champion for over a year, something should be done about it. If they are finding some way to blame him for bad ratings, about time because he deserved to get bashed last year. And I wouldn't even be bothered about low ratings if he was entertaining but Punk has never entertained me. He's all hype and a loudmouth prick with the physique of a 15 year old. His promos are also the current day equivalent of Triple H's boring speeches a decade ago.
I know the booking is terrible but no other champion has had their reign received by so bad ratings. Even in the past few years.
Posted 07 July 2013 - 11:26 PM
Posted 07 July 2013 - 11:43 PM
|QUOTE (Shenmue18 @ Monday, Jul 8 2013, 00:26)|
|He was a key focus, because he was feuding with John Cena and then because Cena was hurt, as soon as Cena was back, what was the key focus? Ziggler vs Cena.|
And that's because Punk was hurt!
Posted 08 July 2013 - 12:28 AM
Posted 08 July 2013 - 03:19 AM
|QUOTE (Shenmue18 @ Monday, Jul 8 2013, 01:28)|
|Even before that, the Cena/AJ Lee scandal thing was given more air time then CM Punk before he got injured.|
I'm not too sure since I tuned out completely at the time and only read results. But the point was, when Punk got to be the centerpiece of the show, ratings tanked harder than ever.
Posted 08 July 2013 - 03:28 AM
Posted 08 July 2013 - 02:41 PM
Posted 08 July 2013 - 04:36 PM
Yeah, In my opinion that Austin Aries vs Chris Sabin match was better then the Randy Orton - Daniel Bryan match last week. Honestly I was more entertained by that match then Punk vs Cena because with Punk and Cena I knew that, as much as I didn't want to see him beat Punk and go on to beat The Rock, it was going to happen, Austin Aries and Sabin (Unless you read spoilers of course.) was very unpredictable. Something that you can't say about the main event of Raw last week, we all knew Cena was beating ADR.
Posted 08 July 2013 - 05:05 PM
|QUOTE (Shenmue18 @ Monday, Jul 8 2013, 04:28)|
|He was feuding with Ryback, who at the time was having major difficulty getting over. Usually the face is the one who should draw the fans (Stone Cold, Rock, Hogan, Sting in WCW, Bret Hart, HBK, Jeff Hardy, Kurt Angle, Bruno Sammartino.) the only person to be the one who was meant to be the drawing point is Gorgeous George back in the 40's, face Punk was and is a big draw, that's why ratings boosted up on the Raw after Payback.|
Ryback was as over as it can get at that point. Obviously they killed him just to continue Punk's crappy reign as he was heading into a match with The Rock. Plus if you're a draw, it doesn't matter who you face, you should help the numbers regardless. Punk can only do that if he's facing a bigger star.
Face Punk is no better as a draw. He was given a chance in late 2011 and it resulted in one of the lower overruns in years. That's why Cena was main eventing over him for the first half of last year. Money in the Bank 2011 also had pretty low buyrates for such a big storyline. And the ratings for Raw after Payback has more to do with others. From Mark Henry's excellent retirement speech to Orton and Bryan's match (which got stopped) and Brock Lesnar's return.
It's okay to like him but to say he's a draw is a lie. Specially when you turn around and bash Cena for supposedly killing the ratings when his segments 9 times out of 10 do the best numbers. Some of Punk's shirts have been good sellers with his fans but that's about as far as it gets.
Posted 08 July 2013 - 06:44 PM
They never really even gave Punk the ball anyways as Cena was still regularly the focus of the show. People knew that Cena was still going to be the top face at the end of the day because that's what Vince wants.
Posted 08 July 2013 - 08:28 PM
While Punk never got the FULL focus as the top guy, he still got enough of an opportunity so we can decide whether he was a flop or not. Based on the numbers, the only answer I can think of is a FAILURE. And they turned him heel because it was a flop so Vince didn't think it would risk anything and it didn't. They're hesitant to turn Cena because he still makes them plenty of money even though he's stale as it gets. Punk was nowhere near that level and wouldn't have gotten there even as the main focus.
Anyways, enough about ratings. Money in the Bank is coming this Sunday and I really hope Orton wins the briefcase even though Bryan would be fine with me too.
Posted 08 July 2013 - 08:31 PM Edited by Shenmue18, 08 July 2013 - 08:35 PM.
You also seem to be hesitant to remember Post Mania 28 - Raw 1,000 where Punk was incredibly popular in storylines vs Jericho and vs Daniel Bryan. He was getting huge pops and ratings were doing pretty well during those segments, despite the atrocious Cena-Laurinaitis being what WWE was trying to get over with everyone.
Posted 08 July 2013 - 09:37 PM
And sure, somebody doesn't become a draw overnight but it happens when you get a big push. Punk got the whole second half of 2011 dedicated to him, had the title for the entirety of 2012 and has been feuding with two of the biggest stars this year before he took his break. And still, he's never done anything impressive to solidify himself as a draw or make the thought of him replacing Cena as top guy something that should be considered. I could buy into this excuse two years ago when he had just gotten his push, but it's two years later and he's still pushed as heavily and hasn't done anything for ratings.
Posted 08 July 2013 - 09:42 PM
Posted 08 July 2013 - 11:16 PM
Posted 08 July 2013 - 11:45 PM
So, what do you guys think is going to happen on Raw tonight? The Wyatt Family debuts tonight, I wonder if they'll have a match as a team or just Bray Wyatt. Or maybe they'll interfere in another match and start abducting people? I wonder if they'll start converting some of the less used superstars and maybe get one bigger one to join their cult. Maybe they'll "kill" people like the Manson family.
Posted 08 July 2013 - 11:58 PM
I'm saying that because Bray is a Rotunda (I.R.S.) boy and he and Vince go way back, so he'll get the Vinny backing, plus they have been saying for a while that they aren't going to promote someone from NXT without a long term plan in place for them, so whatever they have planned for The Wyatt's it's going to be big. #FollowTheBuzzards thing as well as Vickie getting a job review.
But I'll just have to wait and see.
Posted 09 July 2013 - 03:36 AM
Decent show with some great matches.
The promos were alittle "meh".
Posted 09 July 2013 - 11:28 AM
Posted 10 July 2013 - 04:27 AM
He is so friggin' awsome.
Posted 10 July 2013 - 08:40 AM
Oh and no, the Husky Harris chants won't stop him from being pushed.
Posted 10 July 2013 - 04:01 PM
Posted 10 July 2013 - 04:22 PM
I too hope he gets a better push. We've seen many similar wrestlers in the past, but I'm still curious where they are going with them.
Posted 10 July 2013 - 04:58 PM
Posted 10 July 2013 - 05:14 PM
Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:49 PM
What's Wyatt's name again?
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