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Did Vic Vance die in Vice City, Circa. 1986?

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Poll: In your opinion, who died at the beginning of Vice City? (296 member(s) have cast votes)

In your opinion, who died at the beginning of Vice City?

  1. Pete Vance (74 votes [28.79%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.79%

  2. Victor Vance (145 votes [56.42%])

    Percentage of vote: 56.42%

  3. Not sure (38 votes [14.79%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.79%

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Posted 27 October 2007 - 04:53 AM

My guess is that it was Vic that dies and R* just f*cked up.

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Posted 28 October 2007 - 03:59 AM

QUOTE (Stefan Matovic Cvetkovic @ Oct 27 2007, 03:33)
Well, remember how Vic says that his dad is from the Dominican Republic, and his parents split up early in his youth? Well, while Lance and Vic were living with Aunt Enid, Pete could have been living with his father in the DR. I say it's Pete, because the Vance brother that dies at the beggining of Vice City has a Hispanic accent. And don't forget, but the Dominican Republic is a Hispanic country.

Also, at the end of Vice City Stories, Vic says that he wants to get out of the drug business, and the only reason he took down Martinez, etc. is because of his hatred for them.

My verdict? It was Pete.

that's what i've been trying to say, after VCS, the vance crime family is established in VC and pete moves to VC and gets in the business with his rich brothers, and Vic just lives off his wealth somewhere in VC leading a normal life while Pete and Lance run the business. Of course when Pete was poor, he was sick as hell but when he was rich, he probably got rid of his illness.

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Posted 05 December 2007 - 10:31 PM

ok i have two theorys the first one is that pete died in the vice city opening cutsene the econd one is that it was vic but he didnt die in the cutsene . Maybe vic payed diaz to stage a imaginary hit on him while he was wearing body armor so that vic could escape his idiot brother.

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#124

Posted 10 December 2007 - 03:04 AM

Does this look like Vic?user posted image
Damn i wish all three were there so this would be easy. I wonder if all three did jobs together

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 08:23 AM

We are not sure it can be vic as it can also be pete who died

During Tommy's first meeting with the drug dealers, they are ambushed by a group of machine-gun weilding Cubans, resulting in the death of Tommy's body guards and one of the cocaine dealers, Victor Vance.


Victor "Vic" Vance first appeared in the opening cutscene of Vice City, in which he was killed by gunmen during an ill-fated drug exchange with Tommy Vercetti, the sole survivor of the attack. In his first appearance, Victor speaks in a distinctly Latin accent. Victor's death staged the rest of the game's events, forcing Vercetti to root out the men responsible and re-acquire the 20 kilogrammes of cocaine and money he lost.


Before the drug deal can go through, Vic is gunned down, along with Tommy's escorts Harry and Lee, by men working for a territorial drug lord named Ricardo Diaz. There is debate amongst fans over who exactly is killed in this cinematic

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 08:25 AM

QUOTE (vicenzo312 @ Dec 12 2007, 10:23)
We are not sure it can be vic as it can also be pete who died

During Tommy's first meeting with the drug dealers, they are ambushed by a group of machine-gun weilding Cubans, resulting in the death of Tommy's body guards and one of the cocaine dealers, Victor Vance.


Victor "Vic" Vance first appeared in the opening cutscene of Vice City, in which he was killed by gunmen during an ill-fated drug exchange with Tommy Vercetti, the sole survivor of the attack. In his first appearance, Victor speaks in a distinctly Latin accent. Victor's death staged the rest of the game's events, forcing Vercetti to root out the men responsible and re-acquire the 20 kilogrammes of cocaine and money he lost.


Before the drug deal can go through, Vic is gunned down, along with Tommy's escorts Harry and Lee, by men working for a territorial drug lord named Ricardo Diaz. There is debate amongst fans over who exactly is killed in this cinematic

from wikipedia

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#127

Posted 12 December 2007 - 01:37 PM

I think it's like this:

At the time of VC's release it was definitely Victor that was killed and there were only 2 brothers.

In VCS they have ret-conned it so there is a 3rd brother that fans can argue over who gets killed.

There is nothing in VC or VCS to suggest definitively either way and the looks/voice doesn't really count as they had to redesign victor knowing that he is now a main protagonist with a story of his own.
Unless there is a comment from R* or a mention in future games there is no right or wrong answer.

Personally, I say Victor died in '86.

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Posted 18 December 2007 - 08:24 PM

in the official strategy guide for vcs it says vic dies at the start of vice city

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Posted 19 December 2007 - 01:26 AM

QUOTE (masterp2007 @ Dec 18 2007, 14:24)
in the official strategy guide for vcs it says vic dies at the start of vice city

You piece of douche it does not.

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Posted 19 December 2007 - 09:09 PM

it says specifically on page 57:

"You are Vic Vance, Lance Vance's brother-remember him from Grand Theft Auto: Vice City? Vic's in the military and living on base at Fort Baxter, Vice City. He joined the army to support his family, finacially, and is desperate to help them at any cost, which leaves Vic with a vulnerability to corruption. This story takes place before the original Vice City. If you remember Vic Vance dies in the drug deal gone bad as the game begins. Tommy Vercetti was in charce of this debacle."

If you dont belive me go buy a stratgy guide and look.

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Posted 20 December 2007 - 09:35 PM

Last Stand-Glimpse a bit of the story of Grand Theft Auto Vice City.
Spoilers for Vice City Stories and Vice City
In Last Stand, when Lance arrives on top of the Mendez building after killing Martinez and Mendez, Lance tells him hes got 20 k of coke and they will sit on it awile before delivering it. Vic doesnt want in on the deal. Now in Grand Theft Auto Vice City. Lance and Pete deal to the Forellis but the deal is ambushed by Diaz. When you meet Kent Paul Tommy says im missing 20 K and a load of Cash. Facts: 1. Lance said hed wait awhile before dealing and two years is reasonable 2. Vic said no to this deal and so that person may have been Pete. Pretty Cool eh?
I posted this in the easter egg topic but it ties into this one

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#132

Posted 20 December 2007 - 11:05 PM

@ RJX74 -
That quote can be used to argue the case either way.
If you believe it was Vic that died, then it's a humorous way to end the game. Vic has told Lance that he doesn't want to take part in any of his plans all through VCS. Yet every time he ends up having to go through with it and ending up fighting his way out of even worse situations. Lance is clearly talking about the deal from the VC intro where his brother dies. Vic protests, but a GTA fan can see it as a funny "here we go again" ironic ending as we "know" that he's going to get suckered back in and pay the ultimate price.

Or as you say, he could have finally walked away from his brother's bullsh*t and Lance turned to Pete, who he would have more control over and possibly feel more guilty about his eventual death.

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Posted 20 December 2007 - 11:33 PM

for me, its pete.

for some reasons:

1.(contains spoilers so you need to complete marty's missions)
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see that guy? isn't that marty jay williams? didn't vic kill marty already? maybe you killed him incompletely. maybe he has a revenge on you then he somehow killed vic the year 1985.

2. the voice of the person in vice city is bit of hmm, latin. vic's voice is true american.

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Posted 21 December 2007 - 02:12 AM

QUOTE (creeepers @ Dec 20 2007, 23:33)
for me, its pete.

for some reasons:

1.(contains spoilers so you need to complete marty's missions)
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see that guy? isn't that marty jay williams? didn't vic kill marty already? maybe you killed him incompletely. maybe he has a revenge on you then he somehow killed vic the year 1985.

2. the voice of the person in vice city is bit of hmm, latin. vic's voice is true american.

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I really dont see a similiarity
But the idea has been used before
GTA3- Leon McAffery
GTA VC- The Psycho trying to kill love fist
GTA SA[Mike Toreno]

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Posted 21 December 2007 - 03:59 AM

oh god there is 200 of these topics locked
and it is condermed look at vice city offial website on that noticeboard

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Posted 21 December 2007 - 08:40 AM

QUOTE (RJX74 @ Dec 21 2007, 02:12)
I really dont see a similiarity
But the idea has been used before
GTA3- Leon McAffery
GTA VC- The Psycho trying to kill love fist
GTA SA[Mike Toreno]

i played VC and SA before. characters like the psycho and toreno returned after they got killed. maybe matry did returned. i see a similarity too lol.

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Posted 21 December 2007 - 09:28 AM Edited by Miamivicecity, 21 December 2007 - 10:14 AM.

This what I've always thought.....

It was a deliberate action by R* when they made VCS by adding Pete, and vastly changing Vic's appearance to his "supposed" one in VC to confuse fans. That or he was never intended to play a major role in a future GTA.

Also you could see the similarities between LCS's Toni, and GTA III's Toni despite the cosmetic and voice change, but the 2 "Vics" look nothing like eachother, apart from the dark skin. There's too much difference for a 2 year span.

It's something that will never have a conclusive answer I guess.

Also that looks alot like Marty but in my game I blew his head off with a shotgun lol Maybe he's immortal .

Off topic: I think this is what makes GTA so unique from other sandbox games is that there are so many plot holes, which are still unexplained. That's what I love about GTA.

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Posted 21 December 2007 - 04:08 PM

So his gang just magically disbands?

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Posted 22 December 2007 - 07:45 PM

Speculation cites the change in accent as proof that Pete rather than Victor was killed. However, since neither Vic nor Lance has a Caribbean accent, nor does Janet (though this could be because she is a Caucasian American), it is also likely that this was simply a retcon between games.

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Posted 22 December 2007 - 07:51 PM

QUOTE (OrangeGroveFamilies @ Dec 21 2007, 18:08)
So his gang just magically disbands?

Not "magically"

1. The majority of the fans said that Vic dies in the beginning of VC 1986.
2. Lance is killed by Tommy in VC
3. Pete always suffering from asthma and requires medicine.

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Posted 23 December 2007 - 07:35 AM

Who's to say that Pete didn't as a result of his asthma getting so bad in the events of 1984 and before Vic can send him money for the medication and learning about this after the end of the game.

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Posted 24 December 2007 - 11:02 AM

Another(possible) reason why it can be Vic.

After VCS 1984 Vic went away and travelled to an hispanic country like Columbia and stayed there for 1 year. His accent changed and become a little more hispanic, he ate too much and became more fatty like the guy in VC. In VCS 1984 Pete suffered from asthma and why in VC 1986, he suddenly recovered and started to sell drugs? In VC I don't know why Lance never mentioned a name of the killed brother. And why rahkstar2.gif created that Pete in VCS to create more confusion. confused.gif

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Posted 28 December 2007 - 08:44 AM Edited by DarthTemplar, 28 December 2007 - 08:56 AM.

This is probably the highest debated topic in Grand theft auto. I have seen MANY topics like this in many other games. But game companies have been doing this sort of mistakes for years. (EX: In Elder Scrolls Daggerfall Mannimarco is depicted as an evil Lich Lord. However in Oblivion is is shown as a weak light elf.)

I hate tragities. Victor Vance's was a tragedy. Since besides CJ he is one of the best protagonists. Since he has morals and doesnt like to touch drugs. He even joined the army to help his family. Unlike Tommy or Claude he never stabs people in the back unless he thought those people deserved it (Like Marty). But Vic's (or Pete's) death at the beginning did set the stage for Vice city which was one of the best games of all time. Its just like how Stephan King killed off Ben Richards at the end of Running Man. It was very tragic since he was a good protagonist but his death did stop the Network

In my view there is evidence of both Pete or Victor dying at the beginning of Vice city. There is no provable way to know unless Rockstar creates a new Sequel to the GTA 3 series (Highly unlikely in my view since they are probably going to do the same thing they did with GTA 3 to GTA 4). Or if Sam Houser actually tells people on the GTA website whether it was Pete or Vic.

Anyway I personally think it was Pete. Since no plastic surgery or acting could make Vic look THAT ugly. I mean no offense to Rockstar but Victor Vance does not seem that good of an actor to pull off a Columbian accent. (It looks like). Plus in Vice city Vic has HAIR. There is absolutely no way that Victor could combat male pattern baldness and have hair in Vice city. He doesn't seem the type to shave his head every month either.

Also no one really knows what Pete looks like since he was barely mentioned in Vice city Stories. Remember Vic's mom didn't look a thing like Vic or Lance and it is possible that she got knocked up by a Columbian while she was high on coke.

Bare in mind that Rockstar probably mentioned Pete in VCS in order for fans like us to debate about this. So more people would buy the games and complain about the same stuff. Since why would they need Pete? He was barely mentioned in VCS and not at all in VC. Vic didn't need to go to the army just for Pete he did say he was trying to help Lance and his Mom as well. So they probably slipped Pete in so we would argue amungst ourselves

I am betting people are going to flame me here (No way your wrong all this evidence says it was Pete/Vic) But this is all the evidence needed to show that this debate could go either way

Anyway I am just sliding this in here. But maybe Vic faked his death. Maybe he knew all along that someone was bound to know about the drug deal so he faked his death in order to get out of the business for good. He couldn't tell Lance because he would obviously accidentally tell someone and blow his cover.

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Posted 29 December 2007 - 01:24 AM

Did any of the Vance Brothers die in the beginning of Vice City? I am not sure. I just recently started VC again. After finishing VCS, I was so ticked at Lance I wanted to whack him again. First there is consistency. Rosie says they're bothers. One flies and the other does the operations side. Vic was the operations guy. He had always been. The inconsistency. or lack of explanation, is all in Vice City. In the opening scene there is Tommy and 2 Forellis. The chopper lands and a CUBAN steps out. He looks like one of Diaz's men. He has a Cuban accent and is wearing that silly Hawaiian shirt all the Cubans in VC wear. The Cuban is the only one who steps out of the chopper. So Vic is not wasted in the deal.


People think that because in the first or second mission, Lance finds Tommy and Tommy ask why should he trust him. Lance says he wants the same thing Tommy wants. "Your Green and My Dead Brother's white." So it is apparent when Vic died only that Rosie knew that the brothers were in business. Later in death row he says he (Diaz) killed my brother. Lance is a liar and has always been. Vance also claimed the bikers stole the coke he was selling in VC. So how do we know Vic died?


On the other hand, Diaz may have killed Vic somewhere other than the deal. We know there is motive. In White Lies (VCS), we find Lance has been stealing the coke. The two missions before we know Diaz knows the coke is gone. At the end Lance says he has 20 keys. Obviously the coke he stole from Diaz. They were going to lay low and "Do one deal" as Lance always wanted. That is why the setup happened. Diaz knew that his stuff that the brothers stole from him. Vic was not at the meeting but could have been hit somewhere else.

Cool site for videos of all the missions if you want to hear the script again.

http://www.gtamissions.com/

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Posted 12 January 2008 - 12:42 PM Edited by 311inla, 12 January 2008 - 02:31 PM.

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Bare in mind that Rockstar probably mentioned Pete in VCS in order for fans like us to debate about this. So more people would buy the games and complain about the same stuff. Since why would they need Pete? He was barely mentioned in VCS and not at all in VC. Vic didn't need to go to the army just for Pete he did say he was trying to help Lance and his Mom as well. So they probably slipped Pete in so we would argue amungst ourselves


Correct. I personally believe that it was Vic who dies at the start of Vice City. The only reason why Rockstar added Pete is for the following reason. - They don't want to be in the position where they conclusively say 'hey, that guy Vic? The one you've been controlling all game? Yeah, he dies, lol'. So they threw Pete in as a red herring, to give the player hope that Vic never does go back on his word in VCS, and doesn't go back for one last deal. But it is him. Pete is a lightweight character. We hear of Vic relationship with Lance, with his mom, his dad, all the troubles the two brothers had growing up, and Pete doesn't really get a mention.

Of course, I could be wrong. If you believe Vic's words at the end of VCS (and he is very adamant) then he does not return to Vice City.

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On the other hand, Diaz may have killed Vic somewhere other than the deal. We know there is motive. In White Lies (VCS), we find Lance has been stealing the coke. The two missions before we know Diaz knows the coke is gone. At the end Lance says he has 20 keys. Obviously the coke he stole from Diaz. They were going to lay low and "Do one deal" as Lance always wanted. That is why the setup happened. Diaz knew that his stuff that the brothers stole from him. Vic was not at the meeting but could have been hit somewhere else.


Wow, never thought of that.

I knew that-

- Lance had been skimming Diaz's coke
- At the end of the game, Lance says he has 20 keys;

but I never put the two together. I guess I thought that Lance had only been taking Diaz's coke for personal use, as we see Lance whacked out on more than one occasion. Plus, the way Lance suddenly announces that he has all this coke made me think he'd just got it from somewhere else.

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Posted 12 January 2008 - 07:07 PM

Well, I am thinking it's not Vic until proven.

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Posted 13 January 2008 - 10:04 PM

QUOTE (Novy'10 @ Jan 12 2008, 19:07)
Well, I am thinking it's not Vic until proven.

if in fact it was pete he would have been mentioned instead of vic on the official website. here is a screenshot of the official website.

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Posted 13 January 2008 - 10:52 PM

QUOTE (Novy'10 @ Jan 12 2008, 19:07)
Well, I am thinking it's not Vic until proven.

What more proof do we need? A new GTA game called Vice City Stories Stories where all it is is a video of Vic getting out of the helicopter with drivers license, credit cart, and ID in hand which clearly says "VICTOR VANCE" along with him looking at the camera saying "I'm not Pete", then when he gets shot a doctor with a Phd goes up to him and confirms his death? To top it all off, at the end it says "Copyright Rockstar, written by Dan Houser. This really happens in the GTA Universe."

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 08:13 AM

Here's a new theory:

Vic was the type who shaved his head. He was going bald, so shaved to hide it. But then in the two years between VCS and VC, he lets himself go. Stops shaving his head, so what hair he last left grows back. Notice how the Vance who gets killed in VC doesn't have a full head of hair, he's partially bald.
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He also puts on weight in this time. Then there's the accent. How do we explain that? Well, it's possible he was faking it to hide his identity.

But we honestly just don't know. I think R* intended this, it's up for us to decide if Vic dies, or Pete dies. I personally have no strong opinion on this. On one hand, it makes the VC story more strong. I mean, you know this character a lot now, and Lance is very close with Vic so it makes it more dramatical when he wants his revenge. On the other hand, if you really like Vic and would hate to think that he died after beating an entire game with him, then it's also possible that it was Pete who died. It's a win-win situation.

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 08:39 AM

Another thing to prove it's Vic is that if you look at the Beta files for VCS, Vic looks really similar to the Vic in Vice City 1986, just thinner, more muscle and hair.




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