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Did Vic Vance die in Vice City, Circa. 1986?

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Poll: In your opinion, who died at the beginning of Vice City? (345 member(s) have cast votes)

In your opinion, who died at the beginning of Vice City?

  1. Pete Vance (81 votes [26.47%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.47%

  2. Victor Vance (186 votes [60.78%])

    Percentage of vote: 60.78%

  3. Not sure (39 votes [12.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.75%

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#61

Posted 02 December 2006 - 07:39 PM

maybe no vance died, and the guy dying in vc was someone acting like vic to get vic out of the bussiness that explains why he doesnt look like vic. It doesn't explain why lance want's revenge thought. maybe he just told tommy that vic died, so tommy would help him so he could screw tommy over in the end en get away with the money smile.gif
I really don't believe this theory myself but it is possible tounge.gif

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#62

Posted 03 December 2006 - 07:14 AM

Lance: "I want what you want brother."

Tommy: "Oh yeah, what's that?"

Lance: "Your green, and my dead brother's white lady."


Dead brother's white lady.... isn't the white lady Louise, the one who leaves Marty Jay for Vic?

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 11:53 AM

QUOTE (GTAn00b @ Dec 3 2006, 07:14)
Lance: "I want what you want brother."

Tommy: "Oh yeah, what's that?"

Lance: "Your green, and my dead brother's white lady."


Dead brother's white lady.... isn't the white lady Louise, the one who leaves Marty Jay for Vic?

"White lady" means coke.

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#64

Posted 03 December 2006 - 11:55 AM

QUOTE (humancorpse @ Dec 3 2006, 12:53)
QUOTE (GTAn00b @ Dec 3 2006, 07:14)
Lance: "I want what you want brother."

Tommy: "Oh yeah, what's that?"

Lance: "Your green, and my dead brother's white lady."


Dead brother's white lady.... isn't the white lady Louise, the one who leaves Marty Jay for Vic?

"White lady" means coke.

LOL lol.gif Yeah its just street slang for coke. viddy_pirate.gif

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#65

Posted 03 December 2006 - 08:26 PM

i think it would've been cool if vic died at the end of VCS that way the game would end right were VC begins.

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Posted 04 December 2006 - 03:42 AM

QUOTE (humancorpse @ Dec 3 2006, 11:53)
QUOTE (GTAn00b @ Dec 3 2006, 07:14)
Lance: "I want what you want brother."

Tommy: "Oh yeah, what's that?"

Lance: "Your green, and my dead brother's white lady."


Dead brother's white lady.... isn't the white lady Louise, the one who leaves Marty Jay for Vic?

"White lady" means coke.

Holy shirt damn, thought I had that one.

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#67

Posted 04 December 2006 - 04:49 AM

Yes, Vic and Lance are the ones operating the business. BUT, Vic MIGHT NOT be present in the Drug Deal. The guy who was killed could be just a random Ped. However, even if Vic WAS NOT present in the drug deal, he still could have died, as Lance mentioned in VC that Diaz killed 'his brother'. The brother can also be Pete. (Doesn't mean that the one OPERATING the business was the one PRESENT IN THE DRUG DEAL.)

Possible Explanation:
After the end of VCS, Vic lays low for a while. He left Vice City to visit Pete. Meanwhile, Lance operates the business temporarily.
Vic left Vice City to visit his brother Pete but found that he was killed by Diaz. He told Lance back in VC about it and asked him to wind up their business and sell the drugs for safety reasons. Also for safety, he continue laying low, away from the Beaches of Vice...

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#68

Posted 04 December 2006 - 05:13 AM

QUOTE (GTAn00b @ Dec 4 2006, 03:42)
QUOTE (humancorpse @ Dec 3 2006, 11:53)
QUOTE (GTAn00b @ Dec 3 2006, 07:14)
Lance: "I want what you want brother."

Tommy: "Oh yeah, what's that?"

Lance: "Your green, and my dead brother's white lady."


Dead brother's white lady.... isn't the white lady Louise, the one who leaves Marty Jay for Vic?

"White lady" means coke.

Holy shirt damn, thought I had that one.

It's like in San Andreas where Big Smoke told CJ to go pick up Big Smoke's cousin, Mary from Mexico.

Mary = Marijuana
White Lady = Cocaine

But the White Lady part, I didn't know about that until today. I actually thought it was Louise too. Anyway, for some reason, I like Hot-Devil's explanation.

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#69

Posted 04 December 2006 - 06:35 AM

I read about that it could have been pete that was killed, and i like that
because i dont like the idea of playing as somone who gets killed at the end-ish

reminds me of Driv3r... sarcasm.gif

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Posted 04 December 2006 - 12:01 PM

What happened in Driv3r? Out of interest.

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#71

Posted 05 December 2006 - 02:45 AM

Here you go... Plus a bonus.

QUOTE (Wikipedia.org)

Story
The game begins in Miami, where undercover police officer Tanner, along with partner Tobias Jones, must infiltrate a crime ring specializing in stolen vehicles. A ruthless woman named Calita, along with henchman and weapons specialist Lomaz run the gang. Tanner convinces them to give him a shot to work for them. Once he is accepted by the group, Tanner begins conducting various jobs for them, in pursuit of a total 40 stolen high performance vehicles.

After a falling-out with an important contact and local crimelord named "The Gator", the outfit moves their operations to Nice, France, and Tanner relocates as well. However, Interpol agents have their own plans to take down the crime ring and are at odds with Tanner. Tanner decides to work the job his own way, which, in several cases, leads him into direct conflict with the Interpol agents. Finally, after being caught with Interpol agent Didier Dubois, who is then promptly murdered, Tanner's cover is blown and the crime ring leaves for Turkey.

In Istanbul, Turkey, Tanner is now working as a rogue agent, due to his implication in the death of an Interpol agent. However, Tanner and Jones are able to find a number of contacts who lead them to the crime ring and its true leader Jericho, a former hitman and main character in Driver 2. Once it is evident that Tanner has found a way to stop the gang from selling the stolen vehicles, he is brought back onto the force and aids in stopping the sale. Following a car chase and violent shootout, Tanner face crimelord Jericho in a final showdown. Both men are injured and the ending of the game shows one of them flatlining; however, which of the two is not specified. There is a hint, though, in the following game, that Jericho dies. On a wall there is graffiti that reads "Tanner Lives". Although this may mean he lives in memory and not as a real person. At the beginning of this game there is a cutscene that shows the fight , the showdown between Tanner and Jericho is not shown , the fight ends as Tanner kicks a door of a car which hits the Fourth wall causing the screen to go black. Which we then cut out to the hospital which focuses on Jericho more, and most people would think that the doctor looking at the screen which flatlines, was with Jericho.


Connection to Grand Theft Auto
After the release of DRIV3R, there was a notable stir in the gaming community due to DRIV3R mocking Grand Theft Auto: Vice City. In DRIV3R, tanned men with floaties on their arms and Hawaiian shirts were hidden throughout the game. They were called Timmy Vermicellis after the playable character in Vice City, Tommy Vercetti. The men were wearing floaties most likely as a dig at the fact that players in the GTA series were unable to swim (until Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, which was released later in 2004), whereas in DRIV3R, players could. Many GTA fans were angered by this, even though it was in fact Rockstar North that had started the rivalry with a mission in Grand Theft Auto III called "Two Faced Tanner" in which players had to kill an undercover cop who was "useless out of his car", a reference to Driver 2's game play (they even went so far as to give the pseudo Tanner a female's walking animation). Rockstar fought back in GTA: San Andreas. There, in a mission where the player breaks into a rapper's mansion, a person can be overheard playing a video game and making fun of the way the main character walks (Tanner's walking animations were often criticized) and asking how Refractions (a play of the Driver series' developer, Reflections) could have "messed up so bad". He also says "Tanner you suck ass!".

Somewhat ironically, Michael Madsen, the voice actor for Tanner, provided the voice of Toni Cipriani in Grand Theft Auto III, but did not provide the voice of Toni in the prequel, Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories. This may have been because Toni was the lead protagonist in Liberty City Stories, so there were at least twice as many lines, or because he was angered by Rockstar for disrespecting Tanner, whose look and some characteristics, are said by fans, to be based on Michael Madsen.



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Posted 08 December 2006 - 10:08 AM

i dont think it was Vic, because in the vcs mission last stand he said he didnt want to do that kind of business anymore

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#73

Posted 08 December 2006 - 12:46 PM

QUOTE (Yoshimitsutk5 @ Dec 8 2006, 10:08)
i dont think it was Vic, because in the vcs mission last stand he said he didnt want to do that kind of business anymore

Like we didn't hear that many times earlier in the game...

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Posted 09 December 2006 - 01:16 AM

QUOTE (hot-devil @ Dec 4 2006, 15:49)
Yes, Vic and Lance are the ones operating the business. BUT, Vic MIGHT NOT be present in the Drug Deal. The guy who was killed could be just a random Ped. However, even if Vic WAS NOT present in the drug deal, he still could have died, as Lance mentioned in VC that Diaz killed 'his brother'. The brother can also be Pete. (Doesn't mean that the one OPERATING the business was the one PRESENT IN THE DRUG DEAL.)

Possible Explanation:
After the end of VCS, Vic lays low for a while. He left Vice City to visit Pete. Meanwhile, Lance operates the business temporarily.
Vic left Vice City to visit his brother Pete but found that he was killed by Diaz. He told Lance back in VC about it and asked him to wind up their business and sell the drugs for safety reasons. Also for safety, he continue laying low, away from the Beaches of Vice...

I think this is it, Maybe the Vance brothers pissed off Diaz and Diaz got some info on their family and then got Pete killed, then Vic lays low so that he can try and kill Diaz, but Lance and Tommy get in first, so Vic then goes to another City.

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Posted 10 December 2006 - 05:03 AM

I think rockstar did it on purpose to allow the player to come up with their own opinion...

my opinion is that vic was killed...he was the other brother involved in crime...and although in vc he looked and talked a lot different then in vcs...he was the one involved in crime, not pete...

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Posted 10 December 2006 - 09:30 AM

My opinion is Pete was killed by Diaz because Lance landed himself into debt by borrwoing money from diaz

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Posted 16 December 2006 - 02:04 PM

Victor Vance DID die in Vice City, as if you look on the official Vice City website, on the criminals board, it has Victor Vance on it and the website hasn't been altered since 2002

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Posted 16 December 2006 - 02:14 PM

QUOTE (Rossboy @ Dec 16 2006, 14:04)
Victor Vance DID die in Vice City, as if you look on the official Vice City website, on the criminals board, it has Victor Vance on it and the website hasn't been altered since 2002

The Official Website has meen updated since the release of Vice City because Vic's name wasn't know before Vice City Stories.

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Posted 16 December 2006 - 02:38 PM

Its been known for ages confused.gif I rember writing a Fan Fic about Lance Vance in 2004 and used him as a charctor in it

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Posted 16 December 2006 - 04:41 PM

I don't remember Lance ever mentioning his brother by name in Vice City.

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Posted 16 December 2006 - 07:19 PM

Its on the Vice City website and when you read Lances Dossier it says he arrived in town with his brother, underneath Lance is his brother Victor, only Victor no Pete, and as the website was made in 2002 it seems that R* intentionally made that Victor was to die in Vice City.

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Posted 16 December 2006 - 10:02 PM Edited by Meta, 16 December 2006 - 10:05 PM.

Back in 2002 the brother wasn't yet named. The website has been updated a little before the release of Vice City Stories.

And I myself believe that it was Vic who died in the beginning cutscene of Vice City.

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Posted 18 December 2006 - 01:30 AM

Maybe this could be hinting to us that we are gonna play as CJ's brother that he supposedly killed in San Andreas in the next GTA.

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Posted 18 December 2006 - 12:47 PM

Rockstar simply did what the comic book industry has been doing for ages, changing facts to cover up plot holes or simply introducing new things to create new storyline possibilities. It is certain that a Vance brother died in '86, but since they never named him officially, rockstar can throw in a brother or two, or even three if they wanted. Perhaps they didn't like the idea of a GTA protagonist dying so they introduced a third brother and making Vic look very different from the guy that was killed in the VC intro. You can also add to that the fact that they keep stressing in the VCS storyline that Vic doesn't want anything to do with drugs, to me those were enough clues given to make me think that Rockstar doesn't want us to believe anymore that Vic was the brother who died and instead gave us Pete, a third brother that we can think of as the one who was killed in '86.

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Posted 24 December 2006 - 09:44 AM

QUOTE (tagamaynila @ Dec 18 2006, 12:47)
Rockstar simply did what the comic book industry has been doing for ages, changing facts to cover up plot holes or simply introducing new things to create new storyline possibilities. It is certain that a Vance brother died in '86, but since they never named him officially, rockstar can throw in a brother or two, or even three if they wanted. Perhaps they didn't like the idea of a GTA protagonist dying so they introduced a third brother and making Vic look very different from the guy that was killed in the VC intro. You can also add to that the fact that they keep stressing in the VCS storyline that Vic doesn't want anything to do with drugs, to me those were enough clues given to make me think that Rockstar doesn't want us to believe anymore that Vic was the brother who died and instead gave us Pete, a third brother that we can think of as the one who was killed in '86.

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Posted 26 December 2006 - 08:16 PM

The way "Vic" acted in VC was also very strange. The Vic we know despises drugs and would never conduct this kind of business in a cheery matter, like he was laughing right before the ambush.

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Posted 18 September 2007 - 08:55 PM

I think Victor is still laying low somewhere and that Pete is the one who died in vice city because Lance saying to Diaz before he died said "This is for my brother" which a big brother would do. So Victor could still be alive

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 02:42 AM

I understand your new, but there was already a topic down the page. Next time search before you bump really old topics. icon14.gif

Here

It has been discussed before, and it is Victor that dies.

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#89

Posted 19 September 2007 - 05:30 AM Edited by Berkley, 19 September 2007 - 05:32 AM.

Well people I want to say what I want.
The guy who dies is not Victor ,it IS Pete !

Don't believe me ? Click here.

Victor was killed before the drug cutscene ,they just ddon't show it.

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 11:11 AM

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Pete

    Main article: Pete

Introduced/Killed in: Introduction, botched drug deal cut scene
Image:GTAVC characters Pete Vance.jpg
Pete Vance, as depicted in Grand Theft Auto: Vice City.

Pete is Lance Vance's brother and one half of the Vance crime family (the other half being Lance). Vic is killed in the beginning of the game, along with Vercetti's escorts Harry and Lee, as he engages in a drug transaction with Vercetti.

In Vice City, Victor speaks with a Latin accent. This is related to a retcon in Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories, which suggests that Pete and Lance's father was from the Dominican Republic (Pete speaks with no accent in Vice City Stories). There is debate amongst fans as to whether it was Victor who was killed

    See also: GTA: Vice City Stories rendition, as the protagonist of Vice City Stories


Thats just a really bad edit. Someone has just simple replaced 'Vic' with 'Pete'




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