|Of all the rumors ever started about me, I don't think I've ever seen one as opposite from the truth as possible. You can say it. Doesn't make it true.|
Methinks he was talking about Jacob, not you.
|MY work? NONE of this is about me...|
...A new guy has plenty to worry about that to have to add to it being f*cked by somebody who SHOULD know better.
Hmm, well, in my IM log, it seems you said "the other is responsible for parts of the last 6 months of [your] work having to be redone and rereleased" whilst describing the "rogue coders" who had you enraged. In the ensuing topic, you also expressed a great deal of dissatisfaction at "redoing ALL that work." Sounds to me like you were pissed because it broke your sh*t. I already said this was initially a reasonable reaction. And, yes, I know and respect that you have a truly altruistic interest in helping to remedy the problem for everybody else. But you can't honestly expect me to believe the amount of venom you spit didn't have anything to do with how it affected you.
If this was strictly about helping the proverbial new guy, surely a quick prod (and a don't-let-it-happen again lecture perhaps) of Space or whoever else to fix it would have been less vindictive and more, err, helpful.
|YOUR perceived magnitude aside, let's question motive. WHY would a person do such a thing?|
He shouldn't. But that's like asking a gun owner why he would ND a .380ACP round into some drywall. Statistically, the answer to both is the same. Humans are like fallible and stuff.
|This is not a matter of opinion. We stay in line. All of us as modders have a responsibility to not knowingly release that will which crash the games of others. If only to ensure that your name doesn't become associated with broken code for example.|
We don't have a responsibilty to do sh*t. Remember, this is supposed to be a fun hobby or something? Besides, who said he knowingly released something that will crash games? I thought the whole problem was that he wasn't testing with old scripts for compatibility.
|Nobody said it was a conspiracy.|
With all the quotes in my last post, it sure as hell sounded like you thought it was a conspiracy to destroy the whole galaxy!
|When people make "mistakes" they say things like "whoops" and "sorry". Not "well nobody has to use it" "oh well" and so forth. And while I'm certain that destroying the community wasn't his goal, you can't play the ignorance card. He knew full well the effects of his work were, never said a word (I'm told he did eventually, but that doesn't help the people who trusted him up front). Once it came to light, he wasn't the least bit moved. How do YOU feel about people that sh*t in your pool?|
Umm, he probably wasn't moved to tears because it's not really a big deal? Well, that, and, the whole this-is-supposed-to-be-fun thing? Perhaps he did bite off more than he could chew by choosing to update/maintain the .scm .ini, but he was only trying to help. If we were to sh*t on everybody who takes initiative to do something, nothing would ever get done.
|The difference between in yes and no are not semantics. They are full 180 in meaning. Now, I'm quite certain that even a beginner coder could try 0, see it didn't have the effect they wanted, and make it 1...|
0 is no/false/off and 1 is yes/true/on. That's not for us to conversate about. In fact, I'm quite certain it was that way before our daddy's eyeballed our mommy's.
But, erm, AFAIK, the end result of the values is the same. Only instead of 0 meaning "No, pedestrian isn't not invulnarable to headshots," it now means "No, pedestrian isn't vulnerable to headshots." Or maybe in reverse. I think my brain just fell out, but you get my point.
|No sh*t. And you'll notice that 25 has no direction to it. If it sits down in seat 1 of a 3 seat arrangement, the direction of X axis is implied, but that doesn't mean that 25 itself at all denotes a direction. Again, not a matter of opinion.|
Right. However (and I can't find the post now), but the opcode still has two vars. One for speed, one for direction. No? Whether or not you ever explitly set the direction to use in some sort of complex Euclidian function, it's still what it is. A vector. Labeling it as "speed (speed, direction)" is, at best, redundant, while betraying the fact it may facilitate a proper physics operation.
|I don't disagree. I know space was involved with LC. More than that, he HAS done a TON of work in ID'ing unknown opcodes, even if his namings were a bit contradictory. I give credit where credit is due. I know what space has done. Unfortunately, that includes things he never should've supposed himself authorized to do, which was followed up by complete lack of reparations. We all make mistakes as you said. It's how we deal with them by which a man should be judged.|
Well if you know he's got such a sterling record, why declare a jihad on him over one mistake? As for judging him, where is mens rea? His only "crime" here was, at worst, doing something helpful and making a mistake along the way. If he wasn't "authorized" to maintain the .ini, why did you use his version? Why didn't you make your own? Oh, right, because it's a big, complex job, and you were probably glad that he was taking the initiative, right?
|I think you're confusing your poisons. I've never proposed I invented anything. You sounded like you were talking about Barton up until the swapped parameter thing. And you know what? Barton was cleared for everything he did except the time he nuked part of the forums. People like him deserve leeway because without people like him, people like me would have a pair of empty hands and a keyboard. Same goes for the pioneers.|
And I think you're confusing my use of colloquialisms. 'Twas meant in an exaggeratory manner as in "he walks around like he owns the place" or some such.
And now that you mention it, Mr. Waterduck pissed off a lot of people like that too. But then, Barton goes waaay back to ye olde days of AGGTA, so he can honestly call pretty much anyone a noob.
|The difference between me, space, and the claim you just tried to make is that I would NEVER dream on stepping on the toes of those before me. I NEVER FORGET that it's because of their work that a coding section even exists. Then when I publish the one thing I AM the "inventor" of, I couldn't have been more humble. I made it clear I did not wish for any kudos, that it was my gift to the community becuase the have to start a new game bullsh*t was bullsh*t, AND I gave complete credit to the very people whose work, theory, and help made my publishing possible. You've got the wrong guy. Sure I'm arrogant.|
Yes, I know you're generally quite humble to the vets, and when you release things. However, when challened on something, how often do you type the phrase "I'm Demarest?" I dunno if you've noticed-- and I'm not being sarcastic at all here --but you really do throw your name and status around a lot when you get into an argument. Sometimes it works in context. But often it comes across like "it is because I say so and you're a noob!" without a real argument to back it up. Arrogance is one thing. Expecting others to automatically agree with you just because you're you is another. Believe it or not, this kind of attitude tends to dissuades participation. Espeicaly with people who just want to mod stuff without being beaten over the head if they make a mistake.
|But it never comes out until what's rightfully mine is challenged.|
So the .scm format is rightfully yours?
|That's what happened with Seamann. Oh, but did I mention that WE worked it out ourselves? Amidst the violence so many people are in a tizzy over knowing damn well it was a one time infraction that couldn't have been more than words by somebody who NEVER talks that way? The sky is falling!|
I don't give a f*ck about the violence in and of itself. My point is lots of people get put off by the whole immature intertube tough guy thing.
|You need to improve your batting average. First of all, I don't care if you have a join date earlier than the forum's inception. If one did not pioneer the SCM'ing scene and that one thinks they can do anything to desecrate it, they are a newcomer.|
That statement doesn't give you cognitive dissonance? It basically works out to: "I don't care if you're a noob unless you're a noob!"
|Because respect for those who have enable you to do what you can do should be second nature. That's not a disagreement. For there to be a disagreement, there'd have to be viewpoints. There is only one viewpoint here. The one shared by space and Pynton. The one that states to hell with the pioneers (which I am not and never have credited myself as), I'm going to do whatever the hell I want. What I represent is not a viewpoint. It's the way it's always been. I didn't invent it. I just have the good taste to not sh*t on it. And apparently the only one with the stones to stand up for its vitality.|
And how are they sh*tting on the pioneers or anything else? By updating something which Barton is no longer around to do? Would you rather we just carve the opcode list in stone as it was when Barton left, and not have use of any newly discovered functions?
|By that mentality, we should all be banned because we all take R*'s game and "cheat".|
Quit throwing your apple flavored straw men into my orange trees. Your analogy is fatally flawed. You can cheat, hack, or mod your single player game all you want and it only affects your experience. When people cheat in an online game, it makes it unplayable for everyone else on the server. If you really want to use the single player analogy, it would be more like someone breaking into your house while you're out, and f*cking all the .dat files so you could never finish any missions. And then sneaking in again the next day and breaking it again after you fix it.
|Oh, by the way. Thanks to Cyq, SCM'ers now have a way to mem-hack in VC. So I'm assuming anything he did could also be abused by using Cyq's research. You going to ban Cyq too? Of course not. Because he's Cyq.|
No, he's not unbanned just because he's Cyq. See, there's a slight difference between Cyq and Jacob:
Cyq didn't have a website dedicated to f*cking up people's games by releasing programs specifically designed for every asshat in the world to grief with!