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#1801

Posted 05 March 2013 - 10:28 PM

QUOTE (The General @ Tuesday, Mar 5 2013, 19:25)
QUOTE (sivispacem @ Tuesday, Mar 5 2013, 13:12)
The Impreza is probably the best equipped of the 3 to tackle the terrain, and a great choice too, but I'd rather have the additional ground clearance of the Forester.

But isn't the Forester considered a SUV?

Not the first and second generations, IMO. They're basically just jacked-up Legacies.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 11:31 PM

James should have got a V70 Cross Country... I believe you can get one within the budget and surely it's classed as an estate? Plus it makes sense if you think of Africa.

Though the 850R is epic soo.. toughy.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 11:53 PM

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:29 AM

QUOTE (sivispacem @ Tuesday, Mar 5 2013, 17:28)
QUOTE (The General @ Tuesday, Mar 5 2013, 19:25)
QUOTE (sivispacem @ Tuesday, Mar 5 2013, 13:12)
The Impreza is probably the best equipped of the 3 to tackle the terrain, and a great choice too, but I'd rather have the additional ground clearance of the Forester.

But isn't the Forester considered a SUV?

Not the first and second generations, IMO. They're basically just jacked-up Legacies.

You thinking Outbacks? Not that Foresters are too far off but they've always been solidly in the small SUV category. Outbacks are the middle ground.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 08:19 AM Edited by sivispacem, 06 March 2013 - 08:22 AM.

QUOTE (Lurch @ Wednesday, Mar 6 2013, 01:29)
QUOTE (sivispacem @ Tuesday, Mar 5 2013, 17:28)
QUOTE (The General @ Tuesday, Mar 5 2013, 19:25)
QUOTE (sivispacem @ Tuesday, Mar 5 2013, 13:12)
The Impreza is probably the best equipped of the 3 to tackle the terrain, and a great choice too, but I'd rather have the additional ground clearance of the Forester.

But isn't the Forester considered a SUV?

Not the first and second generations, IMO. They're basically just jacked-up Legacies.

You thinking Outbacks? Not that Foresters are too far off but they've always been solidly in the small SUV category. Outbacks are the middle ground.

Wasn't the Outback just a US name for the Legacy or something? I thought they were the same thing.

My interpretation has always been:

Impreza Wagon- small AWD estate (a la Audi A4 Quattro, but a bit better off-road)
Legacy/Outback- mid-size AWD estate (a la Audi A6 Quattro, but a bit better off-road)
Forester- jacked-up, mid-size AWD estate with lots of off-road trinkets (a la Audi Allroad- and I wouldn't call one of them an SUV).

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 08:33 AM Edited by Azazel, 06 March 2013 - 08:35 AM.

QUOTE (sivispacem @ Wednesday, Mar 6 2013, 09:19)
Wasn't the Outback just a US name for the Legacy or something? I thought they were the same thing.

The Outback (or Legacy Outback) is just a raised more off-roady Legacy, and it exists as separate model alongside the Legacy.

The Legacy and Forester don't share platform, I don't think. I'd certainly classify the Forester, new and old models alike, as an SUV.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 01:17 PM

Im surprised sivi doesnt know what a Subaru Outback is. Indeed it is Legacys raised and more offroad friendly sister. Those are very common in my country, great cars. Would be one of my first choices here as the roads are just terrible, tarmac roads are at least worse than in Africa biggrin.gif

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#1808

Posted 06 March 2013 - 02:25 PM Edited by epoxi, 06 March 2013 - 02:37 PM.

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If I had to classify the Forester I would still put it in the estate category.

If the registration paperwork for an XC90 calls it an "estate" then the Subaru sure as hell is.

Edit: I am surprised so many American articles call it an SUV when the US has such large cars, but British articles call it an estate when our typical cars are so much smaller.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 10:03 PM

The mere definition of a SUV is an estate-like vehicle with 4WD and high ground clearance - a sporty yet utilizable vehicle - which is exactly what the Forester is.

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#1810

Posted 06 March 2013 - 10:13 PM

QUOTE (epoxi @ Wednesday, Mar 6 2013, 09:25)
Edit: I am surprised so many American articles call it an SUV when the US has such large cars, but British articles call it an estate when our typical cars are so much smaller.

Because of loopholes to get around gas guzzler tax and epa-mandated fuel economy standards.

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#1811

Posted 06 March 2013 - 10:38 PM

The British colloquial nomenclature of cars is pretty messy. Most people who say 4x4 mean something like a Range Rover or Land Cruiser, and not an Impreza WRX despite, y'know, the definition of a 4x4 being a vehicle with a 4x4 drivetrain.

@Lurch: I suppose the estate classification of the XC90 is also to get through a loophole: the stigma of driving an SUV (which I struggle to understand) is prevalent throughout the middle class so this provides a social loophole.

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#1812

Posted 11 March 2013 - 01:47 PM

That Part 2 was just EPIC. Just the best episode or two episodes ever. The funniest thing however was in the ending titles, every member of the crew was written like: Dr. Clarkson, i presume? Dr. Hammond, i presume? Just the funniest little thing biggrin.gif .

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 01:55 PM

QUOTE (Sup3rman @ Monday, Mar 11 2013, 13:47)
The funniest thing however was in the ending titles, every member of the crew was written like: Dr. Clarkson, i presume? Dr. Hammond, i presume? Just the funniest little thing biggrin.gif .

lol why is it like that anyway? I didn't get the reference turn.gif

Also, did they actually find the real source of the nile?

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 02:00 PM

Just thought I'd share this.
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In the Africa Special Part 2 episode of Series 19 of the BBC television programme Top Gear, the three presenters (Jeremy Clarkson, Richard Hammond and James May) held a race where the first to find the source would be thought of as the discoverer of the source of the River Nile. The location of the supposed source is suggested to be south west of Lake Victoria, in the Serengeti on a tributary named the Grummeti, on the opposide side of Lake Victoria to where Dr. Burkhart Waldecker (Burundi) and where Joanna Lumley (Rwanda) thought the source was. However, this has not been proven, though evidence suggests that this is highly likely by taking into account that the mouth of a river has to flow into a tidal area. The Nile mouth is said to be at Alexandria however this leads out into the Mediterranean Sea which is not tidal, meaning that the actual mouth of the Nile is at the Strait of Gibraltar between Spain and Morocco flowing into the Atlantic Ocean. Geographically, the source of a river should also be as far away from the mouth as possible. This evidence suggests that the theorem of Dr. Burkhart Waldecker and Joanna Lumley are incorrect and the theory of BBC Top Gear is correct. However, these theorem could all be incorrect as the Top Gear theory has not been proven - thus the source of the River Nile is still disputed to the present day.[35]

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#1815

Posted 11 March 2013 - 04:27 PM

The second part of the special was definitely worse than the first - way overscripted.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 06:35 PM

Disagree completely... thought the second part was just as epic, if not more epic, than the first.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 06:44 PM

I quite enjoyed it. Subarus wishbone failing was unexpected. I figured it would be beefier and less prone to rot being that new.

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#1818

Posted 11 March 2013 - 11:19 PM

Yeah, the bit where Clarkson's airbag randomly went off was pretty weird/funny too.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 04:18 PM

Africa episodes were amazing... great entertainment.

this scene cracked me up

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 06:46 PM

I'd have bought a Stagea. You can fit a double bed in one of those...

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#1821

Posted 13 March 2013 - 08:26 PM

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I'd have bought a Stagea. You can fit a double bed in one of those...

Try finding me a Stagea for 1500 in the UK. Cheapest one on Pistonheads is four grand and that's a 2.5 non-turbo automatic.

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#1822

Posted 13 March 2013 - 10:06 PM

Do you think the Impreza's suspension failure was due to the abuse or was the track rod worn before the car even got to Africa? (though I doubt it would be because that's an MOT failure right?)

Also, do you think the suspension arm that got taken out was defective or would have never survived the collapse anyway?

It just strikes me as strange as such a deliberately rally-oriented car would buckle under the pressure (no pun intended).

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 03:25 AM

It failed because they made it fail, because that would supposedly be entertaining.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 04:19 PM

QUOTE (sivispacem @ Wednesday, Mar 13 2013, 20:26)
QUOTE (visionist @ Wednesday, Mar 13 2013, 19:46)
I'd have bought a Stagea. You can fit a double bed in one of those...

Try finding me a Stagea for 1500 in the UK. Cheapest one on Pistonheads is four grand and that's a 2.5 non-turbo automatic.

http://www.ebay.co.u...R40&_nkw=stagea

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 07:40 PM

QUOTE (visionist @ Thursday, Mar 14 2013, 17:19)
QUOTE (sivispacem @ Wednesday, Mar 13 2013, 20:26)
QUOTE (visionist @ Wednesday, Mar 13 2013, 19:46)
I'd have bought a Stagea. You can fit a double bed in one of those...

Try finding me a Stagea for 1500 in the UK. Cheapest one on Pistonheads is four grand and that's a 2.5 non-turbo automatic.

http://www.ebay.co.u...R40&_nkw=stagea

So one dog-rough automatic 2WD one going dirt cheap, one Turbo at 500 about 12 hours into a 7-day auction, and the rest 3k upwards.

I stand by my statement.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 09:13 PM

QUOTE (sivispacem @ Thursday, Mar 14 2013, 19:40)
QUOTE (visionist @ Thursday, Mar 14 2013, 17:19)
QUOTE (sivispacem @ Wednesday, Mar 13 2013, 20:26)
QUOTE (visionist @ Wednesday, Mar 13 2013, 19:46)
I'd have bought a Stagea. You can fit a double bed in one of those...

Try finding me a Stagea for 1500 in the UK. Cheapest one on Pistonheads is four grand and that's a 2.5 non-turbo automatic.

http://www.ebay.co.u...R40&_nkw=stagea

So one dog-rough automatic 2WD one going dirt cheap.

It's a Stagea. It's under 1500 quid.

Here's another:

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item35c55e8b3c

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 09:37 PM

That auction isn't finished.


Its total bullsh*t they are doing 2 "best of"s as part of this season. 4 or 5 actual episodes then repeating the same content? Lame.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 09:53 PM

QUOTE (visionist @ Tuesday, Mar 19 2013, 17:13)
QUOTE (sivispacem @ Thursday, Mar 14 2013, 19:40)
QUOTE (visionist @ Thursday, Mar 14 2013, 17:19)
QUOTE (sivispacem @ Wednesday, Mar 13 2013, 20:26)
QUOTE (visionist @ Wednesday, Mar 13 2013, 19:46)
I'd have bought a Stagea. You can fit a double bed in one of those...

Try finding me a Stagea for 1500 in the UK. Cheapest one on Pistonheads is four grand and that's a 2.5 non-turbo automatic.

http://www.ebay.co.u...R40&_nkw=stagea

So one dog-rough automatic 2WD one going dirt cheap.

It's a Stagea. It's under 1500 quid.

Here's another:

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item35c55e8b3c

If you retards are just going to post automatic Stageas, than what's the point? Sounds like they had better vehicles on Top Gear to begin with. Why would anyone want an automatic in an Africa special where you're constantly going offroad and on sh*t roads. You're almost guaranteed to bust a hole in that paper thin trans pan. It's not that hard. Me and a friend were riding around on a normal gravel road that knocked a hole in one on his taurus. That road wasn't near as sh*tty as what they were driving on. I guess they could rig up yet another skidplate out of a door or hood or something because that sounds so f*cking fun. sarcasm.gif

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 12:50 AM

Factory manual Stageas are a prize unavailable in this price point. A stick E38's an easier hunt.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 01:16 AM

Then why put it up for discussion if a good one isn't in the price range for the comparison's budget? If one of them bought an Auto Stagea for this safari, it would have died in the first episode on a muddy road in f*cking Uganda with a rock slung through its pan.




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