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RiffRaff1138
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Posted 10 November 2005 - 11:38 PM

Did anyone else get suspicious about the "Last Requests" mission? I firmly believe that not everything is as it seems in that mission.

First, let's take a look at the events of the mission: Claude has just destroyed the Columbians' floating SPANK factory, and gives Claude one more small job before they go celebrate; dispose of a car containing some messy evidence. On the way there, Claude is paged by Maria, saying that the car is a trap, and says to meet her at the dock. Once at the dock, Claude encounters Maria, who informs him that she told Salvatore that she was leaving him for Claude, which angered Salvatore to the point that he wanted to kill Claude. Maria is accompanied by her friend Asuka, who just so happens to be a high-ranking Yakuza.

Isn't this throwing up any red flags for anyone else? Doesn't it seem suspicious at all? Let me paint a different picture for you.

Salvatore and Maria's relationship, if it could even be called that, is dwindling (ref. "Chaperone" cutscene). However, Maria maintains a strong friendship with Asuka, as mentioned before, a high-ranking Yakuza. Claude is gaining notoriety in Portland, and either through his exploits or through Maria, Asuka learns of Claude, and thinks he would be a great asset to the Yakuza. Asuka and Maria hatch a plan to turn Claude away from the Mafia, and have him work for the Yakuza.
Now, while Claude and 8-Ball are taking out the Cartel's SPANK ship, a lesser mobster kills someone in a car, and the car is left in a back alley. Salvatore decides he'll have Claude take care of it, as it's on the way to Luigi's club, where they'll all be celebrating once Claude gets back. Maria gets wind of this, and informs Asuka, and they quickly come up with the idea of planting a bomb in the car, and giving Claude the story detailed above. For all intents and purposes, it looks like Salvatore set Claude up, and so Claude leaves the Mafia, and starts work for the Yakuza.
The very first thing Asuka has Claude do? Kill Salvatore. Why? So that if Claude ever finds out what really happened, it's too late, because Salvatore is dead, and Claude has made himself an enemy of the Mafia.

Make sense? Are you questioning everything you ever knew about GTA III?

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 12:04 AM

to tell you the truth, you are thinking waayyyyyy to hard about something so simple and making it unecessarily complicated. The guy who you kill, Curly i think is his name, who you fallow in the docks to spy on and see if he's ratting out the Mafia to the Cartel, WHICH he is! says that Salvatore has become completely paranoid about everything and everyone and is taking drastic measures to whipe people out. Now, since you, FIDO, is the new guy in town, its not very easy to trust someone so new, Salvatore decides to take Fido out, but Maria turns the other cheek and saves Fido's life. You kill Salvatore for revenge of trying to kill you.Plus Asuka really has no beef with the Mafia, like i said, you kill Salvatore for revenge. seriously theres nothing more than what we see in the game.

It doesnt question everything i know about GTAIII because its the first time ive ever heard of a story like this, and ive been playing the game for too long and the story makes perfect sense on its own.

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 12:41 AM

I'm well aware that Salvatore is said to be growing paranoid. But is he given any indication that Claude is betraying him? That he's anything other than a good, loyal hitman? And does Salvatore really seem like he'd care all that much at this point if Maria left him, or like he'd get so pissed off that he'd kill someone over it?

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 04:09 AM

There's a bomb in that mission? tounge.gif

Of course I know there is. Point being that you're missing the fun of the game if you're waxing that intellectual over it.

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 04:45 AM

I'm just saying, ever since the first time I played that mission, something seemed very wrong with the situation. I was just wondering if it struck anyone else as strange, and anyone else thought of this possibility.

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 05:24 AM

I always took it as the Columbians were in dealings with the Mafia. The Columbians started getting too big or big-headed, so Salvatore put you to cutting them down. The Columbians get mad and Salvatore tries to look good in front of the Columbians by trying to off you. Or is just pushing it all on you so he looks innocent regardless. I just got that out of the story. I sort of wish that could've given you two paths to choose from, both altering the game entirely. Like how in GTA2, which gang respected you most and by how much determined which missions you played. Better replay value. Luckily GTA3 has enough on its own without the split storyline smile.gif

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Posted 15 November 2005 - 06:29 AM

QUOTE (Demarest @ Nov 10 2005, 22:24)
I always took it as the Columbians were in dealings with the Mafia. The Columbians started getting too big or big-headed, so Salvatore put you to cutting them down. The Columbians get mad and Salvatore tries to look good in front of the Columbians by trying to off you. Or is just pushing it all on you so he looks innocent regardless. I just got that out of the story. I sort of wish that could've given you two paths to choose from, both altering the game entirely. Like how in GTA2, which gang respected you most and by how much determined which missions you played. Better replay value. Luckily GTA3 has enough on its own without the split storyline smile.gif

You know what Dem ... you're missing the fun of the game if you're waxing that intellectual over it!!! tounge.gif

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Posted 21 November 2005 - 09:40 PM

The very first time I did that mission, I actually stole the wrong car. But as soon as I got in, I got the page from Maria that said it was a trap. Yet it all seemed so suspicious I ignored the warning and found the right car.

Now I was still uneasy, especially after looking at the clean car. I thought that if in the mission when you take the car with the body to the crushers, if that had a blood soaked car with the body inside, why diddn't this car have a body inside? I got in very carefully, and bailed out as soon as I heard the bomb. (luckilly I had armor and full health, otherwise the bomb would have killed me.)

So I felt betrayed somehow, but I wasn't so quick to point fingers. I was never sure who was actually behind it all. I agree with RiffRaff1138, there's more to it all than what's just on the suface.

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Posted 21 November 2005 - 11:36 PM

when i first did that mission, i had no clue what leon was saying about "brians", i thought it was some sort of slang, but he was literall.
btw, hi Cole!

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Posted 22 November 2005 - 12:38 AM

LISTEN TO ME!!!

This is how it goes:
In the previous mission You took out the cartels boat with 8-ball. The Cartel dont find to kindly to this and take it out on the Mafia since you are working for them. Salvatore, as the boss, makes a deal with the Cartel to take you out so that there wont be any problems.(Remember Maria said Salvator made a deal with the Cartel?) Half way to the car, Maria pages you and says it is a trap and to meet her. Her friend Asuka, has no problems with the mafia. But since you are working for her now she wants you to prove that you are no longer loyal to the Mafia. So she sends you to kill Salvatore. After you kill Salvatore, the mafia gets mad leading to the next mission.

Asuka and Maria do not plant the bomb. Asuka knows nothing of claude except through maria. The first time you meet is on that mission. Salvatore plants the bomb in the car. Simple.

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Posted 22 November 2005 - 01:36 AM

Thanks ATK, but they're speculating alternate scenarios and are already aware of what the regular story dictates.

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Posted 22 November 2005 - 06:54 AM

Nah, Salvatore picked up Claude to do the dirty work and to get the Columbians out of Portland and there SPANK material. Once that happened, he didn't need Claude no more so he planted a bomb in the car to finish him off. That's what it seems smile.gif .

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Posted 22 November 2005 - 12:25 PM

You guys think about this way too much what ATK said is what happened and if you think Maria and Asuka relly planted the bomb go e-mail Rockstar rahkstar2.gif and find out

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Posted 22 November 2005 - 12:50 PM

This is a game and not reality, you can't decide who is right. There is no answer.
Even R* could only tell how the story was meant to be understood. It's not a complete and clear story. You have to speculate, and that's what R* wanted

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Posted 22 November 2005 - 09:52 PM Edited by ATK, 22 November 2005 - 11:51 PM.

QUOTE (Sillyhed2000 @ Nov 21 2005, 21:36)
Thanks ATK, but they're speculating alternate scenarios and are already aware of what the regular story dictates.

Are you sure you read the first and the rest of the posts? The topic creator is confused about what happened in the mission and is trying to get the back story of what happened. They dont know what actually happened and are saying what they think really happened. Thats what I did.

@gorilla:
This is true we can only go by what is seen in the game and heard in the dialouge. We cant make up somthing and add it to the story and say that is right or what relly is supposed to be.

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Posted 22 November 2005 - 10:30 PM Edited by D Jones, 22 November 2005 - 10:33 PM.

QUOTE (gorilla @ Nov 22 2005, 06:50)
This is a game and not reality, you can't decide who is right. There is no answer.
Even R* could only tell how the story was meant to be understood. It's not a complete and clear story. You have to speculate, and that's what R* wanted

Do I rest my case, on what we are already doing

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Posted 23 November 2005 - 12:02 AM

QUOTE (D Jones @ Nov 22 2005, 18:30)
QUOTE (gorilla @ Nov 22 2005, 06:50)
This is a game and not reality, you can't decide who is right. There is no answer.
Even R* could only tell how the story was meant to be understood. It's not a complete and clear story. You have to speculate, and that's what R* wanted

Do I rest my case, on what we are already doing

Sorry I guess I missunderstood what speculation meant. I wanted to reply to the fact he said everyone knows what the story is when that is what we are talking about. confused.gif

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Posted 23 November 2005 - 06:16 PM

QUOTE (ATK @ Nov 22 2005, 21:52)
Are you sure you read the first and the rest of the posts? The topic creator is confused about what happened in the mission and is trying to get the back story of what happened. They dont know what actually happened and are saying what they think really happened. Thats what I did.

I'm not confused as to what happened. I was just saying, "I know it's supposed to look this way, but some clues have led me to believe it was really this other way, what do you guys think."

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Posted 23 November 2005 - 07:31 PM

Yea and I was just posting what I thought.

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 08:38 AM

Actually, I like RiffRaffs speculation. And you know what? I totally agree with him! smile.gif tounge2.gif tounge.gif colgate.gif wink.gif

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 07:38 PM

Salvatore was the brains behind the bomb in the car plot. In the cutscene at his club at the beginning of the "Bomb Da Base: Act I ", he said "...you will be a made-man. Anything you want.". That was just a temporary white lie given by Salvatore so that you think that he will really give you power and influence, making you forget that you are a hired gun (and that Salvatore knows that).

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Posted 03 December 2005 - 01:16 AM

^Either that or Maria didn't say anything to Salvatore until aftr the mission

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Posted 16 December 2005 - 02:40 AM

lets face it... Salvatore got paranoid of you... also it is known that the Mafia, unlike the Yakuza, rarely hire non-italians and consider them untrustworthy.

If you had continued to do that well... Sal would have begun to think that you would have tried to take over the family and he had to get rid of ya, and we can blame Maria for saying that you were doin' his girl.

Also Helegad133... where did you get your GTA Advance ROM?

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Posted 16 December 2005 - 04:19 PM

well, i am will be the 1000th that say that he know it. when you meet maria on the docks she says:''salvatore wanted to kill you, cuase i sayed to him that you was a item'' ......'' and the problem is its all my vault''

well i forgot something, and some thing are not good. butt this is tha story

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Posted 19 December 2005 - 11:52 PM

QUOTE (D Jones @ Nov 22 2005, 06:54)
Nah, Salvatore picked up Claude to do the dirty work and to get the Columbians out of Portland and there SPANK material. Once that happened, he didn't need Claude no more so he planted a bomb in the car to finish him off. That's what it seems smile.gif .

I agree with you. Its a classic case of expliotation, and if it wasn't for Maria, it would of all worked up fine and simple for the Leones.

I seriously doubt if Salvatore gave the slightest sh*t about Maria loving Claude... He could have any woman he wanted. sly.gif
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Posted 20 December 2005 - 12:32 AM Edited by Bartleby, 20 December 2005 - 12:36 AM.

QUOTE (Davo the Assassin @ Dec 19 2005, 15:52)
QUOTE (D Jones @ Nov 22 2005, 06:54)
Nah, Salvatore picked up Claude to do the dirty work and to get the Columbians out of Portland and there SPANK material. Once that happened, he didn't need Claude no more so he planted a bomb in the car to finish him off. That's what it seems smile.gif .

I agree with you. Its a classic case of expliotation, and if it wasn't for Maria, it would of all worked up fine and simple for the Leones.

I seriously doubt if Salvatore gave the slightest sh*t about Maria loving Claude... He could have any woman he wanted. sly.gif
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Why would Salvatore do away with an errand boy as good as Claude, considering he just blew up a Cartel boat? Surely he could have other uses for him; killing him would not be the smart move. That doesn't make sense to me. Perhaps Salvatore is the protective type and became angry when he heard that Claude and Maria were an item?

Though Riffraff's explanation is quite an interesting one. Things could not be what they've seemed for the past four years.

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Posted 20 December 2005 - 10:32 PM

DOn't you pay atention, maria says these exacts words:

''Listen!, Salvatore thinks we are going behind his backs so he was offering you to the CARTEL in order to make a deal. I couln't let him do that, i mean, the worst thing is its all my fault because i told him...''

So who planted the bomb? THe cartel


Why you killed Salvatore? Because Asuka is ur new boss, she orders to prove your loyalty by killing the man who sold you out... Why not?

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Posted 22 December 2005 - 04:33 PM

Mmm... good debate here. I think Riff Raff has a valid point, things in that mission did seem very queer. I also think that Bartleby has a good point too, so it could go either way I suppose.

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Posted 23 December 2005 - 01:05 AM

I think it's because the titles GT3: A-spec and GTA3: Speculation are too close to each other.

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Posted 26 December 2005 - 06:31 AM

QUOTE (RiffRaff1138 @ Nov 10 2005, 23:38)
Did anyone else get suspicious about the "Last Requests" mission? I firmly believe that not everything is as it seems in that mission.

First, let's take a look at the events of the mission: Claude has just destroyed the Columbians' floating SPANK factory, and gives Claude one more small job before they go celebrate; dispose of a car containing some messy evidence. On the way there, Claude is paged by Maria, saying that the car is a trap, and says to meet her at the dock. Once at the dock, Claude encounters Maria, who informs him that she told Salvatore that she was leaving him for Claude, which angered Salvatore to the point that he wanted to kill Claude. Maria is accompanied by her friend Asuka, who just so happens to be a high-ranking Yakuza.

Isn't this throwing up any red flags for anyone else? Doesn't it seem suspicious at all? Let me paint a different picture for you.

Salvatore and Maria's relationship, if it could even be called that, is dwindling (ref. "Chaperone" cutscene). However, Maria maintains a strong friendship with Asuka, as mentioned before, a high-ranking Yakuza. Claude is gaining notoriety in Portland, and either through his exploits or through Maria, Asuka learns of Claude, and thinks he would be a great asset to the Yakuza. Asuka and Maria hatch a plan to turn Claude away from the Mafia, and have him work for the Yakuza.
Now, while Claude and 8-Ball are taking out the Cartel's SPANK ship, a lesser mobster kills someone in a car, and the car is left in a back alley. Salvatore decides he'll have Claude take care of it, as it's on the way to Luigi's club, where they'll all be celebrating once Claude gets back. Maria gets wind of this, and informs Asuka, and they quickly come up with the idea of planting a bomb in the car, and giving Claude the story detailed above. For all intents and purposes, it looks like Salvatore set Claude up, and so Claude leaves the Mafia, and starts work for the Yakuza.
The very first thing Asuka has Claude do? Kill Salvatore. Why? So that if Claude ever finds out what really happened, it's too late, because Salvatore is dead, and Claude has made himself an enemy of the Mafia.

Make sense? Are you questioning everything you ever knew about GTA III?

To be honest you've got an interesting point there, I had never thought of it that way. Asuka was rather power hungry and it seems to me like there was something *ahem* kinky going on between her and Maria. So maybe she wanted to keep her girlfriend away from this fat lunatic mobster and gain power in the city at the same time. I am intrigued indeed.




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