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Posted 09 September 2005 - 07:37 AM

QUOTE (AlphaCueUp @ Sep 8 2005, 22:03)
No where in this entire thread does anyone even remotely hint that drive-bys are: illegal, forbidden, bad, not good, cheap, unfair, ugly, stupid, sad or anything else in that regard. GET IT OUT OF YOUR HEAD!! please read the posts before you reply.

A: We do read your posts.
B: Geez, if we say our oppinions and we dont agree on your oppinion you explode.
C: K as I said before, what can you do about it? Drive Bys cant really be removed. confused.gif

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Posted 09 September 2005 - 05:59 PM

lol, im not exploding, i just dont get why people keep saying that drive-bys arent bad, or why they say dirve-bys are apart of the game, thats not what im addressing, im addressing the topic of people who only do them, any opinion that says its ok to only do drive-bys seems to justify it by saying that drive-bys are not illegal, or bad, etc...which is completely beside the point, i have not heard a single opinion which states that its ok to do constant drive-bys, only ones that say its a part of the game. i know drive-bys are apart of the game, i know drive-bys are allowed, i know drive-bys wont be removed, what i dont know, is why people think its ok to do nothing but drive-bys.

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Posted 09 September 2005 - 09:55 PM

ABSOLUTLY AGREE AlphaCueUp!!!!!!!

--> when someone damages their car, what do they do? Do they fight? No, these idiots run away, and hop in another car <--

Thats very TRUE!!!! these noobs sucks!!

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Posted 10 September 2005 - 04:38 AM Edited by erorr404, 10 September 2005 - 04:40 AM.

QUOTE (Muggins @ Sep 8 2005, 09:30)
QUOTE (erorr404 @ Sep 7 2005, 23:47)
Muggins, I don't see how drivebys in particular encourage car chases. In my experience, car chases stem from foot chases when one player runs because he's low on health, or simply for the hell of it. It has nothing to do with drivebys.
I can understand your excitement about running away from danger, but none of this changes the fact that it is extremely cheap to constantly driveby people. Why don't you consider how other players feel about getting killed in a split second, without having any chance to defend themselves, when they are trying to play fair and not explot the games balance issues like you are?

I'm not trying to exploit anything in the game and I don't constantly use drive by's (that said I do use them a fair bit), and though I resent the fact that you are saying that I play unfairly, I understand your frustration. It's basically two different styles of playing GTA on one server, and as I've said before with all the new modifications coming out (and indeed the source code)- it wont be long before servers can be easily tailored to suit the needs of the people playing on it.

To explain my thing about car chases- In my experience drive by's work about half of the time. If the person notices you, they will either a) Shoot your car with their shotgun and turn it into flames, thus forcing you to get out of the car and find another one triggering a chase. Or b) Run away to a place out of reach of cars and bullets or run off to find a car- triggering another chase. Or c) Continue to stand in the same place and try and shoot you, though this usually ends up in death.

Your annoyance about drive by's is probably like my feelings towards Hunters (a great multiplayer vehicle- when you're driving it!), and while there were methods to avoid them (running close or under buildings) it did get constantly frustrating when you had to try and avoid them constantly. But then certain servers had them and certain servers did not, so they were pretty easy to avoid. I'm sure you can adjust the settings for drive by fire rate as well.

When it comes down to it, the reason I love drive by's so much, is that I'm a Playstation fanboy and I dislike mouse aim, but I love driving with a control pad.

maybe that last part of my last sentence was a little harsh. for some reason i assumed that you were one of those people that constantly do drivebys, run for cars, and always avoid combat where you can get hurt. although this is unquestionably cheap (doing it repeatedly), i cant make the arguement that it's unfair in the sense of it being available for everyone to use. when i talked about people trying to play fair, i meant treating other players respectfully (ie, if your opponent doesn't use tactics such as drivebys and heli cannons, you don't either), i did not mean that doing drivebys was cheating. the majority of people dont use it to such a vast extent however, and im not sure if you understand why. im sure you read the last paragraph of my previous post... how would you feel being on the receiving end of a driveby while being almost totally defenseless against it?

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Posted 10 September 2005 - 09:43 AM

well i can avoid drivebye's
all ya do is take there front tyre out on approuch then blow the car up
simple
or stay infront of them and jump on the car
there are loads of ways to avoid drivebye's and if people have'nt played the game enough to learn this then they should give it a go
also if ya join a team game then its harder for people to drivebye if you work as a team and all take out the car!
or ya could always shoot the driver in the head a couple o times and then that sorts it out aswell

at the end of the day all this game is meant to be is a multiplayer version of the single player, if drivebye's werent in it and werent as powerfull then it would just be mta.

what is every1 gonna say about when the sniper rifle when they finally get that working at the end of the day as it has been said by most peeps use everything that is there, on mta every1 uses the stubby and nocks them down then shoots em when they get back up, would you consider this wrong or would you do that yerself
every1 please feel free to join my server and drivebye as much as ya like

if ya dont like the game (which drivebye's are an integral part of)
dont play it
if ya do play it, ya should expect people to play the game and use everything at their means to get the kill count up

same as any game!!!

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Posted 11 September 2005 - 12:32 PM

Another one of my ridiculously long rambling posts....

The thing that initially annoyed me about this thread was Alphacuetip's first post- which I saw at the time as quite arrogant. Now see it was more out of frustration than any thing and it's spawned quite an interesting argument than taking place now. As I've said before, it's a matter of opinion- though the only opinion that really matters is that of the bloke that runs the server.

I know I'm in the minority when I say this- but I do reckon that constant drive-by's in deathmatch are ok. It's a style you can play. (Another thing that I just thought of- the problem with this early build of VC-MP is that actually people are using it as a kind of MMO game, creating scenarios such as bank robberies and kinda setting their own rules, rather than going for the high score... if we we're all going for the high score, we'd all love doing drive by's)

What annoys me is the how people quantify it. The chat area of the screen is always full of accusations against other players, hypocrisy and bollocks like that. People get so angry about getting killed, they can't accept that it might be that they a) might've done something stupid or b) they might not be as good at the game as the person that killed them. E.g. When people drive up to my car, get out of their car, start pumping a spaz shotgun into the bonnet and then get angry when I shoot them in the head from my front seat. I aint going to get out of my car in a gentlemanly fashion and have muskets at dawn- 10 paces then shoot.

And it's not just drive-by noobs that people complain about, it's also...

Roof noobs- People that fire at you from the roof, even if you can avoid them by running away.
Bike noobs- People that just drive and shoot from bikes of scooters, even if it is easy to knock them off in a car or jump on the back of their bike to avoid being shot, and forcing them to jump off.
Spaz/shotgun noobs - People who fire at you with a shotgun from close range and barely giving you a chance to get up before shooting you again; my advice is: don't go too close to someone with a shotgun if you can help it.
Heli killers- People who use helicopters to ram into people, which isn't the easiest thing to do to a moving target and it damages your helicopter pretty quickly.

These are all valid methods of playing the game. And people who constantly complain about these things are usually just frustrated that they were killed but they can't just accept it in silence.

Anyway, I've given back the Vice City CD I was borrowing off a mate, so I can't play for the time being. Which is annoying, because it is such an awesome game. But I might as well mention the things that I found absolutely incredibly lame about the game were:

1 - ACTUAL CHEATING - Coding, hacking, programming- whatever. Getting a minigun from nowhere or driving at a ridiculous speed and pushing everyone off the road. Server admins should keep an eye out and kick, ban and report if necessary.

2 - TEAM KILLING - God I hate this. I hope with future releases (if there is one) someone can sort this out. I realise you can accidently kill a team mate, so they should have a 3 strikes and your out for 15 minutes rule or something.

3 - SWITCHING TEAMS JUST TO TEAM KILL SOMEONE - It's so easy for someone to do as well.

4 - SWITCHING TEAMS GENERALLY - I.e. people constantly moving to the winning side. Probably not a lot you can do about this.

5 - SPAWNKILLING - As mentioned in first post.


There were a few more. But I can't think of them.



Erorr404- In regards to fairplay, respect and 'exploiting the balance issues' in the game- I still think that the only way this can be solved is by addressing the people that run the servers and the server configeration itself. While this is a great discussion, you're never going to convince all those people that constantly drive by that its a disrespectful thing to do to the other players. I was on a server where someone got kicked for constant driveby's two days ago, and that worked well for the other people on the server who were constantly complaining about it. I kept my mouth shut though, cos I wanted to keep playing, he team killed me a fair few times and there's no point in arguing anyway. The problem is, as mentioned, that half the people on the map may be going for the high score and the other half may be going for the gentlemans score-

anyway... I'm repeating myself and I've waffled on a fair bit. I agree with Boff in the above post as well.

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Posted 14 September 2005 - 02:42 PM

biggrin.gif Drive-bys is the bestest way to get highest score fastest and easily biggrin.gif
ur not eaven need to go out of the car ..and when someone chase u u just run ito the car and kill him loool its my Strategy tounge.gif

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Posted 14 September 2005 - 07:32 PM

and what are you going to do when someone has as spas-12? clearly odds of them winning is more then yours, so i just get a car and drive-by them.

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Posted 14 September 2005 - 08:20 PM

i like going against a drive-byer, i think its fun, its not too hard to destroy the vehicle, but the object of the game is to kill the person not the car, it gets annoying when people refuse to fight unless in a vehicle.

'roof killing' is fun, i like to do it, but its hard, as people are usually available for a shot for a short ammount of time, like cars driving by, or people running past.......people tend not to shoot back, only continue on their way

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Posted 15 September 2005 - 03:48 AM

what i hate

a) shotguns, once your hit by one, youre dead, should make them not be in classes inventory but instead pick up

b) vehicle noobs, stay in vehicle and never come out

c) stunter killers, i hate it when i wanna stunt and i look and find 10 guys going specificly for me, dont give me that "go to a stunt server" bs, i dont know any stunt servers that are working, if you do, please, ip/port me

d) m60s, just too pwerful, lol, then everyone becomes army and your screwed, (same with reds and spaz shotguns)

e) hackers, what is there to say? lol

f) admin control against hackers, hardly anyone to get rid of them

g) no one ever wants to play special ametypes with me, lol (nothing serious of course), but i would love some servers for certain game types like seek and destroy and king of the hill

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Posted 15 September 2005 - 06:22 AM

I changed my mind. dozingoff.gif
I'm getting tired of Driveby n00bs (Mostly spawns as yellow). It's not the thing that they do it once or twice, but there is people that are killing from their vehicles all day long! When you explode the vehicles, they just run and run until they get another vehicle!
Oh and there's the roof n00bs (Mostly spawns as army). They take a heli, goes to a roof, spawn kills from roof. People on ground cant really do anything about it. confused.gif That's why they end up with a score of 25 kills, but all of them are from roof.
It's just so pethetic.

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Posted 15 September 2005 - 02:52 PM

roof whores are pretty fair, but they are annoying yes its usually only army, red and yellow that are noobs/annoying

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Posted 15 September 2005 - 07:26 PM

the game goes okay untills one starts cheatin which is usualy the one person thats in no team meaning there by themselves but not all the time. and roof killin is not that common in the game and its not only the army that does it so does the red team since they happen to have a heli as well. i also wish shotguns were a gun u have to find since everyone seems to b goin in the red team just beacuse of the shotguns available. as for drive bys same issue with that

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Posted 15 September 2005 - 07:42 PM

Another thing i cant stand are the ppl that only use Spaz shotgun to kill, sometimes is as anoying as drive-bys..... imagine.. they shot you once you fall, and them, they shot you 2/3 times in the ground and youre dead!
Is completly gay!

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Posted 16 September 2005 - 03:12 PM

exactly what i said, if you fit by a shotgun, your f*cked, i think smg should be start spawn still, just hack into the game somehow and make drivebys like half the power as when your on foot, that way the driveby noobs will get out of their car to fight, good idea anyone?

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Posted 22 September 2005 - 11:16 AM

ok so lets get this straight
drivebyes are too powerfull
spas shotguns are too powerfull
heli's are too powerfull
and shootin from a roof is too powerfull

the way it seems to me is there is a good mixture of weapons and ways to kill each other. and yall should just deal with it

and people
the definition of a n00b is some1 who is new to the game
not some1 who kills ya in a way ya don't like!!

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Posted 22 September 2005 - 12:25 PM Edited by ChRoM3, 24 September 2005 - 05:51 PM.

QUOTE ({mEr}Boff @ Sep 22 2005, 11:16)
ok so lets get this straight
drivebyes are too powerfull
spas shotguns are too powerfull
heli's are too powerfull
and shootin from a roof is too powerfull

the way it seems to me is there is a good mixture of weapons and ways to kill each other. and yall should just deal with it

and people
the definition of a n00b is some1 who is new to the game
not some1 who kills ya in a way ya don't like!!

Thank You!!!
Couldn't of said it better myself biggrin.gif

If someone is drive-byin, jump on there roof/bonnet and let it rip...
If someone is heli-killin, find a tree or some good cover and blow the damn thing up...
If someone is shootin from a roof run for cover and shoot back...
If someone is usin a spaz and u have an m4/mp5/uzi wotever get a good distance from them and let it rip...

If u cannot do any of the above then u my friend, are the noob.

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Posted 23 September 2005 - 01:52 PM

QUOTE ({mEr}Boff @ Sep 22 2005, 11:16)
some1

KTHXN00B! ph34r.gif
Anyway, have you ever tried to get constantly driveby killed by some fa**ot that runs away to a new car, after the old one has exploded? And he has 50 kills, but all of them are from drive-bys? NO? turn.gif

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Posted 28 September 2005 - 08:20 PM

Heh, I'd rather be doing drive-bys than bunny hopping like an asshole with a stubby/spas shotgun, which I'm sure ALL of you bitching about drive-bys are guilty of.

Of course, don't take my word for it, I don't play any kind of VC multiplayer anymore, I've had enough of illiterate, 12 year old, wannabe gangsta little kids shouting out how people are gay or calling them "n00bs". Maybe y'all should think about that one for a moment, too.

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Posted 28 September 2005 - 11:33 PM

I absolutely cannot stand drivebys. I spawned as cop and then this yellow dude on a motorbike started shooting me the second I spawned. I spawned as a cop about 10 minutes later and the same guy was still there. I was really pissed of that this n00b was spawn-killing so I spawned as a biker and went over to the cop spawn to try and kill him but he got off his bike and did this kind of gay superjump, and jumped all the way up onto the Fire Department building.


The noobs these days...

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 07:37 AM

Konoko45 - "which I'm sure ALL of you bitching about drive-bys are guilty of."
And I'm sure your one that allways spawn as yellow takes a car, and pisses people of with constant drivebys rolleyes.gif
"I've had enough of illiterate, 12 year old, wannabe gangsta little kids shouting out how people are gay or calling them "n00bs"."
Oh yes, age insults. Did you ever think that the "kids" might be right in what they're saying? I mean would you appreciate being killed a billion times of some idiot that runs away to another car if his old one exploded?
Killer789 - Well said wink.gif X2 ph34r.gif

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Posted 30 September 2005 - 01:14 AM

i love the spas shotgun, it has nice distance, and is powerful, if i knock somone down with it, i wait till they get back up before i shoot them again...i dont think easy kills are very fun, i enjoy the combat. i dont like going against somone with the spas because its too easy to kill with it.

a newb is someone who is new, a n00b is someone who is cheap and acts annoying and bitches and complains about everything

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Posted 30 September 2005 - 11:44 AM

QUOTE (AlphaCueUp @ Sep 30 2005, 01:14)
a newb is someone who is new, a n00b is someone who is cheap and acts annoying and bitches and complains about everything

actually i think ule find that no matter how ya spell it a newb or n00b is some1 new to the game
obviously the reason people are get confused as to what a n00b is, are obviously new to online games them selves
if some1 is bein cheap
call them cheap
i get people joinin my halo server and calin me a noob cos i kill them in a way they dont like. even tho ive been playin halo for years. i just laf at them and put them in there place by killing them in every way possible

if ya dont like drivebyes
go play mta or join a server that has no drivebye weapons
or just get a car yerself and drivebye them
its all fair cos there aint no1 stoppin you from doin it

most o the boys in my clan can avoid drivebye's
why cant you???

if some1 is constantly spawnkillin then the admin should kick them
believe me if some1 was constantly spawnkillin on my server id kik em and if they joind back and started doin it again id ban em
simple

its all upto the admin as to what rules the server has
and the only rules in mine are, no constant spawnkillin , no hackin/glitchin , no mods
everythin else goes
heli killin
drivebye's
spaz shotguns while ya on the floor

either way
a n00b or newb however ya spell it
is some1 who is new to the game
it has been for years

ya cant just decide that it means somethin else
cos it dont!!

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 02:57 AM

NOTE THE FOLLOWING IS SATIRICAL DO NOT TAKE IT SERIOUSLY
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This week on Player Classes Of Vice City Multiplayer
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This pisses me off because its weak, and really isnt how the game should be played. Im not saying ppl cant do drive-by, im talking about the n00b bitches who only do drive-bys, when someone damages their car, what do they do? Do they fight? No, these idiots run away, and hop in another car. Its ok to run if your health is low, or if you are outnumbered, but its just weak to avoid all combat that does not offer the safety and security of a vehicle.

This is what we call a Bitcher these class of people constantly bitch about tatics used by other players and often resort to bombarding the Chat and Forums with there comments usually Admins with deal with whoever is causing the problem just to shut these people up who afterwards briefly gloat then go on to complain about something else. This is the most prevelant class of player
Next Week we look at: NOOBS


Now for the serious part I think that if you feel it's cheap don't do it and if you can't deal with it CHANGE SERVERS.
Now I am a player that doesn't like running and shooting I prefer driving so I would fit in your category because I prefer driving the majority of my kills would be driveby's and hit and runs, So I'm weak because I prefer the open driving platform of VCMP.
And Since vehicles are SOOOOOO easy to avoid doesn't that mean you have trouble dealing with vehicle because of a lack of skill.
Now that was harsh but since you brought it up how come you can't avoid someone in a car. They are shooting out of the window of the car so certain vehicles you can just duck or jump onto the cars bonnet then take them out.
Constantly running over and reversing over someone is not good sportsmanship but there are those that care more about score than anything else.
I want to know why you feel it's cheap and saying a vehicle is safe and secure isn't true, Cars are like extra armour but it catches on fire BANG!! your dead or then your unprotected and in the open allowing other players to take you out

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 08:49 AM

The biggest problem I ever had was teamkillers angry.gif

Every game, teams or not, was an "every man for himself" type of game!

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 03:12 PM

QUOTE ({mEr}Boff @ Sep 30 2005, 12:44)
QUOTE (AlphaCueUp @ Sep 30 2005, 01:14)
a newb is someone who is new, a n00b is someone who is cheap and acts annoying and bitches and complains about everything

actually i think ule find that no matter how ya spell it a newb or n00b is some1 new to the game
obviously the reason people are get confused as to what a n00b is, are obviously new to online games them selves

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Newb: n. "newb" one inexperienced in playing computer games, an amature with beginners luck.
v. "newbed" to be killed / defeated by a newb
adj. "newbish" of or pertaining to a newb, something a newb would do.
or
stupid


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Noob is meant as an offensive term towards someone who is not nessicarily new, and quite often is directed at someone that is |somewhat| experienced but at the same time stupid/disruptive and/or totally incapable of learning.
A noob is almost always someone who thinks they're cool but obviously aren't. Also used in 1337speak.
see also: n00b, nub, ch00b, n00bo, n00blet.


Source: Urban Dictionary.

What? You're wrong? Yes, yes you are.

On topic: I myself hate these shotgun killers. They shoot you and when you are getting up and can't fight back, they shoot you again. Much worse than drive-byers or spawn killers in my opinion.

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 06:23 PM

whatever
in all the years ive played online games n00b has meant some1 who is new
whether its new to the game/map/gametype or new to online gamin in general
im sure i could find an obscure quote if i wanted to
from a better source than the urban dictionary

and if you read the quotes you put i think ule find its saying that a n00b is some1 that is new tounge.gif

yes n00b has become an insult
but only people that are new call others n00bs all the time cos they think its an insult and dont actually understand what it means
hence why it is in the urban dictionary

its quite clear in the quotes ya put on

and tbh i think callin someone a n00b when they are not just shows how inexperianced you are

anyway
i think callin some1 a n00b is 1 of the most annoying trates of n00bish behaviour
and i just deal with it in the way descibed above

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 07:24 PM

QUOTE ({mEr}Boff @ Oct 1 2005, 19:23)
and if you read the quotes you put i think ule find its saying that a n00b is some1 that is new tounge.gif

You're wrong, and you've been proved wrong, and you're continuing to argue, learn to accept the facts.

This topic could do with going back around to what it was intended to be a discussion about, I watch over the chat from littlewhitey's server over IRC and it still strikes me how incapable people are of dealing with being killed in a "n00bish" way or whatever, I think some poeple need to accept the game and be happy.

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Posted 05 October 2005 - 04:56 PM

I personally do drive-by's on motorcycles all day. If yall's pissed, grab a vehicle and chase. So simple. Don't get mad at it and post in here. Just resolve the problem yourself.

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Posted 07 October 2005 - 12:22 AM

i have met houndreds of people who do these things but the one thing that realy irritates me is ppl who run me over and then park the car on me! how cheap is that?




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