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Posted 07 September 2005 - 02:38 AM

This thread is intended, to put out there, the things that go on in the servers that is simply unacceptable, ways of playing that is considered cheap, or n00bish. There are some things going on that simply should not be tolerated.

1. People who dont fight on foot, they only do drive-bys

This pisses me off because its weak, and really isnt how the game should be played. Im not saying ppl cant do drive-by, im talking about the n00b bitches who only do drive-bys, when someone damages their car, what do they do? Do they fight? No, these idiots run away, and hop in another car. Its ok to run if your health is low, or if you are outnumbered, but its just weak to avoid all combat that does not offer the safety and security of a vehicle.

2. Spawn killers

I was playing in a server, and this idiot was parked in front of the spawn point on a bike, spawn killing. This in particular is absolutely ridiculous, as it combine the one above, and spawn killing, its weak, and it degrades from the value of game play.

Ok, i cant seem to think of anymore off-hand, but i think everyone should add the things that go on that is too be considered behavior of a n00b, cheap, and unnaceptable.

One thing though, that pisses me off, not anything in regard to playing, but in chat, everyone is callin everyone a n00b. Its not only annoying, but its just childish, 'n00b' is being used simply as an insult, instead of identifying people who are actin like n00bs, its getting out of hand, and its stupid.

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Posted 07 September 2005 - 02:52 AM

i agree on both points, but i cant say that ive ever been spawnkilled more than a few of times in a row. the only solution is having an admin there ready to kick the spawn killers.
there can be a solution for the drivebys, however. like i mentioned before, .ini creators should have the ability to change the rate of fire of drivebys and helicopter cannons. it's perfectly fine if you do it a few times (heck, even i do it), but it's ridiculous when people constantly driveby and when their car explodes, they run straight for another. i encounter people like this every day in VC-MP, and they can be very irritating. this is the exact same thing i used to see in MTA:GTA3, except they ran for the cars in order to run people over rather than driveby them.
also, the word 'n00b' is used quite excessively.

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Posted 07 September 2005 - 03:06 AM

QUOTE (erorr404 @ Sep 7 2005, 02:52)
they ran for the cars in order to run people over rather than driveby them.

That too, being run over, because you really dont get a chance to get up from being hit. That happened to me alot the very first time i play VC-MP, but no so much since then, and that is quite annoying.

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Posted 07 September 2005 - 03:41 AM

I agree with both of your points, that shows that some people are cowards. I laugh once or twice when it happends to me, but when its persistant and its all they do it gets really annoying.

My suggestions to the team:

If possible, make the person invicible when they spawn until they move.
If possible, implement drive by damages for the ini.

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Posted 07 September 2005 - 03:56 AM Edited by AlphaCueUp, 07 September 2005 - 03:58 AM.

QUOTE (njr1489 @ Sep 7 2005, 03:41)

If possible, make the person invicible when they spawn until they move.

i was thinking like UT has spawn protection, you get about 5 seconds head start with invulnerability, to run off, only difference should be, that during this invulnerability, player should be unable to fire weapons.

As for constant drive-by killing, it should be against server rules, and repeted violations should result in warnings, then threats of ban, then temp ban, then permenant ban.

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Posted 07 September 2005 - 04:01 AM

QUOTE (AlphaCueUp @ Sep 7 2005, 03:06)
QUOTE (erorr404 @ Sep 7 2005, 02:52)
they ran for the cars in order to run people over rather than driveby them.

That too, being run over, because you really dont get a chance to get up from being hit. That happened to me alot the very first time i play VC-MP, but no so much since then, and that is quite annoying.

in MTA:GTA3 though, getting hit by a car means instant kill most of the time. here, it's not nearly as bad and you can usually run away from it.

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Posted 07 September 2005 - 07:58 AM

Drive by's pwn, this isnt walk about auto, its grand theft auto, go play UT tounge.gif

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Posted 07 September 2005 - 08:07 AM

What they meant was driveby's don't suck, but the overuse is.. it's like a person hops into a car, with guns and never gets out and always does drivebys... the only time they get out is when their car goes on fire. So other's are just discussing the overuse of it.

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Posted 07 September 2005 - 08:38 AM

For the love of god, use 'Balance issues' instead of crap like "cheap, or n00bish". You sound like a bunch of pre-teen Counter-Strike players. confused.gif

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Posted 07 September 2005 - 11:01 AM

In defence of drive by's-

For me the excitement of GTA comes from the panic of getting to the safety of a car before someone else gets you. And when that car blows up, bailing and trying to find another before someone drive by's or shotguns you- I've always played that way, even on single player. IMO people are way too sedentary when playing the game and using drive by's encourages the best part of GTA- the chase! I reckon people should be racing around the map a lot more, not staying put on the same location for so long.

Though the fact that people are defending the tops of buildings that are difficult to get to by car show people are working out ways to avoid the drive by's, and if you are going to standing in the middle of the road and shoot at a car that drives past, accept that he might toss a few bullets back your way without the bother of getting back out of the car. If someone is attempting a driveby on you, run and get a car, chase him down and then kill him as it's easier on you and gives you a chance to show off your driving skill. The point is, you're tactics in the game have to evolve, and the way you play the game- it's still in beta testing stage so we're all pretty new to it anyway.

Pretentious quote: "This thread is intended, to put out there, the things that go on in the servers that is simply unacceptable, ways of playing that is considered cheap, or n00bish. There are some things going on that simply should not be tolerated."

Drive-by's in Grand Theft Auto are "unnaceptable"? Arse! It's Grand Theft Auto! Drive by's are a given.



That said, I understand people's frustration with drive-by's and realise that this is still beta stage and there are literally hundreds of tweaks and changes you can make to the code to adjust the strength of the guns or take them out all together- so that you can set up your own server to suit your own style of play. That's the great thing about this game, the fact that you can change anything. Just don't spend so much time complaining- it's multi-player GTA for gods sake! It's awesome!

I also agree with your point about spawn killing, but I'm sure that can be fixed pretty easily.

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Posted 07 September 2005 - 11:33 AM

QUOTE (AlphaCueUp @ Sep 7 2005, 02:38)
1. People who dont fight on foot, they only do drive-bys

2. Spawn killers

1. K, if they do drive by, then do the same against them. sigh.gif It's Grand Theft Auto. Not freaking No Drive By Theft Auto. ph34r.gif

2. Yes spawn killers are the f*cking n00b'ish freaks. I cant understand what's so funny with spawn killing? That's just stupid. GO BACK HOME TO MTA!! turn.gif

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Posted 07 September 2005 - 12:22 PM

Driveby's are fairly easy to avoid.. personally i like to jump on vehicles and put a few bullets through the front window to take care of the driveby'er.

As for spawn killers, something needs to be done about it.

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Posted 07 September 2005 - 12:27 PM

Maybe something like bounce back boundries (hint: single player game boundries bounce you back to land)? There's a cube that covers the spawned person, where anything shot in this cube has NO EFFECT.. for 5 seconds.

<i now know that driveby's rock, and all, but just make the use a little bit lower>

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Posted 07 September 2005 - 01:31 PM

Ok, some people seem to miss the point entirely 'its not driveby theft auto' tounge.gif see anyone can pick one piece and say its not that, fact of the matter remains that it requires little to no skill to perform a drive-by. Drive-bys are only a small portion of the game, not the entire game, if you cant fight on foot, then you should practice. I would assume the people who defend those who use only drive-bys, are people who only use it themselves.

you quoted me saying some things are unacceptable, then you jump to the conclusion that what i am saying is that drive-bys are unacceptable, when it is clearly stated in that very same post you quoted, that i said its ok to do drive bys, nearly disregarding the entire bit on drive-bys, next time, read the entire post before making quotes. If you cant get kills aside from doinf drive-bys, and dont make any attempt to, you are a n00b, plain and simple.

This thread was not intended to be an argument for or against constant drive-bys as being weak, it is a thread to voice the things that are annoying, n00bish, or simply unacceptable.

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Posted 07 September 2005 - 02:23 PM

QUOTE (AlphaCueUp @ Sep 7 2005, 13:31)
I would assume the people who defend those who use only drive-bys, are people who only use it themselves.

Actually not. I dont use drive-bys. Actually it's boring to do them. But it allways comes to the conclusion that it is Grand Theft Auto smile.gif

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Posted 07 September 2005 - 02:39 PM

QUOTE (Vercetti Gangsta @ Sep 7 2005, 14:23)
But it allways comes to the conclusion that it is Grand Theft Auto smile.gif

cmon man, lets not be stupid, im sure everyone here is aware of the title of the game, it serves no purpose to say stupid things like "its not called grand theft lets not drive-by" or "its not called grand theft drive by" or "its not called grand theft run like a n00b" etc....

The point is, if you cant fight without the safety and security of a vehicle, you should learn to.

keep in mind, the intention of this thread, this is my opinion.

I dont mind if someone is trying to perform drive-by on me when im on foot, and i have to damage the vehicle in order for them to fight, but when its constant, and its the same person, then its just poor sport to be cheap like that.

Obviously the person in a car has a major advantage, and when they abuse it, is what i object to. This game is not a drive-by game, it's an all-out urban combat game, people who do nothing but drive-by cheapen this experience.

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Posted 07 September 2005 - 03:15 PM Edited by poep9898, 07 September 2005 - 03:18 PM.

tsk...yo alpha dude i sound like a noob dude drivebyes are part of the game choppers are a part on foot is a part this is just a rpg game U choose what skill u advance or what u use most, and the one skill its the enemy of the other skill so thats maybe why u dislike drivebye cuz u like on foot....


drivebyes-->on foot
chopper--> on foot drivebyes
on foot--> on foot and a good player even easely a heli


its all how good/skilled u are a good player can kill easely a drivebye or a chopper on foot it depends on what player is playing the oposite skill

and if u argue with drivebye is for noobs and cowards u are a noob
its just a part of the game.

ps: most of them are cowards but no noobs

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Posted 07 September 2005 - 03:31 PM

lol......i will explain for the last time.

1. I am not against drive-bys, i am against people who only do drive-bys, and refuse to play the game any other way, that is simply weak, and isnt very fun at all, it cheapens the whole experience, the entire game should not revolve around sitting in a car, and shooting.

2. This thread is intended not for an argument for or against constant drive-bys.

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Posted 07 September 2005 - 03:39 PM

This is about persistant people who use drive bys, not drive bys in general. Those persistant people do it all day and nothing else, where is the fun in that? If someone replies about the same for guns, this is what I have to say. When people play VC-MP everyone is spread out most of the time, so they use the car part of the game play to meet each other and then kill. That is how it gets fun, driving to places, then killing people on foot. Thats what Grand Theft Auto is, not some car or weapon only game. Its BOTH.

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Posted 07 September 2005 - 04:14 PM

People are in denial regarding the fact that it is possible to be cheap, just like its cheap in street fighter, to use Chun-Li, and only do the thousand kick move, or be E-Honda, and do the thousand palm move, over and over again constantly, or like its cheap in mortal kombat to be Lui-Kang, and do only the fire-ball.

Just the same, it is cheap to play VC-MP, and only do drive-bys. Lets facce it, its really not fun playing with these people, as there is no point, because there is no end to it, once you manage to destroy one vehicle, they are in another.

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Posted 07 September 2005 - 07:40 PM

HEY MAN!
YOU USE EVERYTHING TO YOUR ADVANTAGE Thats how you play the game.

If you only want a game that includes shooting each other in foot combat, go play another game. Its Grand Theft Auto, if you dont know what the word "auto" is, go look it up in the dictionary.

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Posted 07 September 2005 - 08:24 PM

QUOTE (tommy vercetti guy @ Sep 7 2005, 19:40)
HEY MAN!
YOU USE EVERYTHING TO YOUR ADVANTAGE Thats how you play the game.

If you only want a game that includes shooting each other in foot combat, go play another game. Its Grand Theft Auto, if you dont know what the word "auto" is, go look it up in the dictionary.

Thats not the case here. What is the case is the OVERUSE of it. Repetition results in a boring game. Its ok to do it a few times, but if that is all you do, it just sucks. Believe me, I use EVERYTHING to my advantage, even drive bys, but its not the only thing I do. Some people are afraid of playing a different way.

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Posted 07 September 2005 - 08:47 PM Edited by AlphaCueUp, 07 September 2005 - 08:51 PM.

QUOTE (tommy vercetti guy @ Sep 7 2005, 19:40)
HEY MAN!
YOU USE EVERYTHING TO YOUR ADVANTAGE Thats how you play the game.

If you only want a game that includes shooting each other in foot combat, go play another game. Its Grand Theft Auto, if you dont know what the word "auto" is, go look it up in the dictionary.


constant drive-bys is the opposite of using everything to your advantage, its using the safety, security, and comfort of a vehicle to your advantage, AND NOTHING MORE!!

so you point is actually in agreement with what i am saying,.

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Posted 07 September 2005 - 09:51 PM

Your complaining about drive bys. If you get caught in a drive by, run to a vehicle and lose him thru a high speed car chase. smile.gif

If your getting spawn killed, spawn as someone else and go kill the spawn killer. Once your done, you can type /kill in the chat thingy and spawn as the person you want to spawn as.

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Posted 07 September 2005 - 11:47 PM

QUOTE (Muggins @ Sep 7 2005, 11:01)
In defence of drive by's-

For me the excitement of GTA comes from the panic of getting to the safety of a car before someone else gets you. And when that car blows up, bailing and trying to find another before someone drive by's or shotguns you- I've always played that way, even on single player.  IMO people are way too sedentary when playing the game and using drive by's encourages the best part of GTA- the chase!  I reckon people should be racing around the map a lot more, not staying put on the same location for so long.

Though the fact that people are defending the tops of buildings that are difficult to get to by car show people are working out ways to avoid the drive by's, and if you are going to standing in the middle of the road and shoot at a car that drives past, accept that he might toss a few bullets back your way without the bother of getting back out of the car.  If someone is attempting a driveby on you, run and get a car, chase him down and then kill him as it's easier on you and gives you a chance to show off your driving skill.  The point is, you're tactics in the game have to evolve, and the way you play the game- it's still in beta testing stage so we're all pretty new to it anyway.

Pretentious quote:  "This thread is intended, to put out there, the things that go on in the servers that is simply unacceptable, ways of playing that is considered cheap, or n00bish. There are some things going on that simply should not be tolerated."

Drive-by's in Grand Theft Auto are "unnaceptable"?  Arse!  It's Grand Theft Auto! Drive by's are a given.



That said, I understand people's frustration with drive-by's and realise that this is still beta stage and there are literally hundreds of tweaks and changes you can make to the code to adjust the strength of the guns or take them out all together- so that you can set up your own server to suit your own style of play.  That's the great thing about this game, the fact that you can change anything.  Just don't spend so much time complaining- it's multi-player GTA for gods sake!  It's awesome!

I also agree with your point about spawn killing, but I'm sure that can be fixed pretty easily.

Muggins, I don't see how drivebys in particular encourage car chases. In my experience, car chases stem from foot chases when one player runs because he's low on health, or simply for the hell of it. It has nothing to do with drivebys.
I can understand your excitement about running away from danger, but none of this changes the fact that it is extremely cheap to constantly driveby people. Why don't you consider how other players feel about getting killed in a split second, without having any chance to defend themselves, when they are trying to play fair and not explot the games balance issues like you are?


"... it allways comes to the conclusion that it is Grand Theft Auto smile.gif "

"HEY MAN!
YOU USE EVERYTHING TO YOUR ADVANTAGE Thats how you play the game.

If you only want a game that includes shooting each other in foot combat, go play another game. Its Grand Theft Auto, if you dont know what the word "auto" is, go look it up in the dictionary."


The term "grand theft auto" simply means larceny of automobiles - it has nothing to do with drivebys. The game itself also has very little to do with drivebys. For the vast majority of all the missions in GTA, you're shooting people on foot. Cars are mainly used as a means of transportation, not attack. So I think I'll stick with GTA for foot combat, thanks.
No one is suggesting removing drivebys from the game either. What I suggest, for example, is reducing their effectiveness so that they fire at the same rate as they do when you're using them on foot. Their reduced power would be a good incentive to stop people from cheaply using them repetitively.

As for the "use everything to your advantage" comment, GTA:VC was never meant to be an online game, so this simply does not apply here. The devs never intended for all of the abilities Tommy gets to use against the AI in single player to be used against other players in an online, deathmatch-style game. If they had, everything would have been much more balanced.
It should be the job of the VCMP team (or now, any other developer since it's open source), to bring some balance to the online play.


"Your complaining about drive bys. If you get caught in a drive by, run to a vehicle and lose him thru a high speed car chase. smile.gif

If your getting spawn killed, spawn as someone else and go kill the spawn killer. Once your done, you can type /kill in the chat thingy and spawn as the person you want to spawn as."


Those are some great solutions sarcasm.gif . If you get caught in a driveby, 90% of the time you die instantly.

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Posted 08 September 2005 - 04:12 AM

I'm gonna fart all over all of you

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Posted 08 September 2005 - 07:42 AM Edited by Vercetti Gangsta, 08 September 2005 - 07:46 AM.

STFU you fat mange. ph34r.gif Anyway....
I think it's kinda okay to do drive-bys. It's a part of the game, there's no rules saying it's illegal to use.... sigh.gif And if you dont like it, then there's no really chance for stopping drive bys.
Might be that they're annoying, but it's not illegal to use and why not doing the same against them? dozingoff.gif

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Posted 08 September 2005 - 09:30 AM

QUOTE (erorr404 @ Sep 7 2005, 23:47)
Muggins, I don't see how drivebys in particular encourage car chases. In my experience, car chases stem from foot chases when one player runs because he's low on health, or simply for the hell of it. It has nothing to do with drivebys.
I can understand your excitement about running away from danger, but none of this changes the fact that it is extremely cheap to constantly driveby people. Why don't you consider how other players feel about getting killed in a split second, without having any chance to defend themselves, when they are trying to play fair and not explot the games balance issues like you are?

I'm not trying to exploit anything in the game and I don't constantly use drive by's (that said I do use them a fair bit), and though I resent the fact that you are saying that I play unfairly, I understand your frustration. It's basically two different styles of playing GTA on one server, and as I've said before with all the new modifications coming out (and indeed the source code)- it wont be long before servers can be easily tailored to suit the needs of the people playing on it.

To explain my thing about car chases- In my experience drive by's work about half of the time. If the person notices you, they will either a) Shoot your car with their shotgun and turn it into flames, thus forcing you to get out of the car and find another one triggering a chase. Or b) Run away to a place out of reach of cars and bullets or run off to find a car- triggering another chase. Or c) Continue to stand in the same place and try and shoot you, though this usually ends up in death.

Your annoyance about drive by's is probably like my feelings towards Hunters (a great multiplayer vehicle- when you're driving it!), and while there were methods to avoid them (running close or under buildings) it did get constantly frustrating when you had to try and avoid them constantly. But then certain servers had them and certain servers did not, so they were pretty easy to avoid. I'm sure you can adjust the settings for drive by fire rate as well.

When it comes down to it, the reason I love drive by's so much, is that I'm a Playstation fanboy and I dislike mouse aim, but I love driving with a control pad.

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Posted 08 September 2005 - 10:03 PM

ok, i will make this easy for everybody here to grasp....



NOT AGAINST THE USE OF DRIVE-BYS......AGAINST PEOPLE WHO ONLY DO DRIVE-BYS

no where in this entire thread does anyone even remotely hint that drive-bys are: illegal, forbidden, bad, not good, cheap, unfair, ugly, stupid, sad or anything else in that regard. GET IT OUT OF YOUR HEAD!! please read the posts before you reply.

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Posted 09 September 2005 - 04:09 AM

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If possible, make the person invicible when they spawn until they move.

VC-MP source modification
This is just a rushed & untested example. Don't see why this method wouldn't work though wink.gif
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