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memento27oasis
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Posted 29 April 2005 - 05:15 PM

Anyone use AutoCAD to create stuff? I've been using it for 3 years now at Portland State, it's amazing the things it can do.

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Posted 29 April 2005 - 07:22 PM

CAD by definition is not an artistic program, so I assume most of the answers here will say no. CAD is made specifically for realistic simulation and models, used mostly for models of things to be engineered. It's realistic tendencies and little modeling freedom make it a bad choice for 3D art.

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Posted 29 April 2005 - 07:51 PM

I beg to differ. Architecture is the most profound form of art in the world. As humans, we live and breath under the shelter of man made structures. Style, space, flow and thousands of factors contribute to a buildings design. The best made structures stand the test of time and make the inhabited people feel connected to the world around them. Until you study architecture history and its impact on people, you will not undertand.

I've used auto CAD to create very detailed and innovative structures, rendered with color and lighting. CAD's engine is far and beyond better than photoshops, but they are meant for completely different things. People stop and marvel St. Peter's Basilica, gauking with a wide mouth overwhelmed with feeling and joy while those same people just stare at the artwork inside it. Only on rare occasion does 2D art have that impact on your mind and soul.

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Posted 29 April 2005 - 09:45 PM

I use AutoCAD 2004 for the basis of all my models. I have found it to be the most reliable and easily operatable modelling software on the market. Besides, 3DS can import cad files, how can you lose? Make some buildings with AutoCAD then import them into 3DS and texture them then go right to VC. Its funny, it takes about one eight the time to make a building in AutoCAD than Meshes and Splines and NURBS in 3DSM.. at least for me.

Cheers. I love the program and architecture rocks.

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Posted 29 April 2005 - 10:02 PM

QUOTE (memento27oasis @ Apr 29 2005, 13:51)
Only on rare occasion does 2D art have that impact on your mind and soul.

Two things:

1. Photoshop and CAD are nowhere even being close to being compared. They're COMPLETELY different.
2. If you really believe that bit about 2D art rarely affecting people, you might want to visit an art museum.

I might not understand the importance of architecture yet, but I'm sure next year at UI's architecture school I'll pick up something...

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Posted 29 April 2005 - 10:24 PM

Quite obviously it differs from person to person and situation to situation.
Space and shape can certainly be profound things to be experienced; think cathedrals, canyons, skyscrapers and towers, bridges, etc.
But one certainly can't discredit two dimensional representations of having value.

I've seen some quite cool abstract 3D work done in CAD.

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Posted 30 April 2005 - 06:17 AM

QUOTE (memento27oasis @ Apr 29 2005, 14:51)
I've used auto CAD to create very detailed and innovative structures, rendered with color and lighting. CAD's engine is far and beyond better than photoshops, but they are meant for completely different things.

Apples and oranges, anyone? How can you say anything about an engine when they're polar opposites?

And I don't believe architecture is art. Creative, yes, but the boundaries of gravity and weight, and the fact that building is too expensive to make one without a purpose for it, make it simply not a form of art.

By the way, why are you making a topic and saying how you've made these things...why not show them?

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Posted 30 April 2005 - 02:57 PM

QUOTE (Moto @ Apr 30 2005, 06:17)
By the way, why are you making a topic and saying how you've made these things...why not show them?

Auto CAD is a very expensive program that usually only architectural firms and universities have. There are illegal copies floating around, but for the most part, it isn't easily accessible. I would post screenshots of it, but I don't have it on this computer. Plus, anyone working with it would know what I'm talking about, so if you have no clue about computer aided drafting, then bug off. And while I admire your strong stance on computer photoshop stuff, it pails in comparison to CAD's abilities. And yes, CAD can render texture and has a top notch lighting system. I agree that the two were meant for different things, heck, there are better 3D animation software out there for animating a bugs life and stuff, but CAD is something I'm familiar with, so I asked if anyone else was too.

In terms of 2D vs 3D, I didn't mean to be so blunt, I've taken 3 (two hundred level) and 1 (three hundred level) classes on oil painting, 2-dimensional art, printmaking and more drawing and painting classes in college. I'm well versed in that field of art, and I'm okay at it. For an example Click Here For Art. I love art, but I find architecture to be the most overlooked form of it, and it's something we experience every day hundreds of times per day.

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Posted 30 April 2005 - 04:09 PM

QUOTE (memento27oasis @ Apr 30 2005, 14:57)
so if you have no clue about computer aided drafting, then bug off.

Right well I guess you should be bugging off then... seeing as you dont even know what CAD even means... Computer Aided Design... doh, I feel the embarrassment for you.

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Posted 30 April 2005 - 06:19 PM

QUOTE (Kained But Able @ Apr 30 2005, 16:09)
QUOTE (memento27oasis @ Apr 30 2005, 14:57)
so if you have no clue about computer aided drafting, then bug off.

Right well I guess you should be bugging off then... seeing as you dont even know what CAD even means... Computer Aided Design... doh, I feel the embarrassment for you.

Everyone in my class prefers computer aided drafting because it's closer to what it does. Many people call it this, in fact, you can call it either, it really doesn't matter. Do you know what drafting is? In architecture it is the drawing and designing of your ideas/structures onto paper, but computers now aid in this process, thus, computer aided design, or drafting, it goes hand in hand, it really doesn't matter, as I already said.

You're just another example of folk that don't use it and have a high opinion of it. whatever.

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Posted 01 May 2005 - 07:14 AM

Get a clue about what you're saying before you open your mouth* please? I never mentioned a thing about my stance on photoshop, and yet you infer that is all I work with. My work has actually been featured by Autodesk in one of their major product releases, so don't go lecturing me about 3D (and yes, I and many other people can provide proof if you decide to be an ass).





*yes, I do realize you aren't actually opening your mouth, shut the fu
ck up.

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Posted 01 May 2005 - 03:13 PM

I get the impression he's trying to basically show off, and I dont know why, I've worked in a architects office, worked with AutoCAD, and have AutoCAD 2004, although now you bring all this up I may have to razzle dazzle AutoCAD 2006... now that would make you jelous wouldnt it.

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Posted 01 May 2005 - 03:23 PM

i use 3dsmax maya gmax wings 3d cinema4d xsi zbrush photoshop paintshop rhinoceros and autocad biggrin.gif

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Posted 01 May 2005 - 04:19 PM

I brought this topic up to meet people who use AutoCAD, to hear their thoughts and what they've designed. But instead, everyone is harping on my ass about how much sh*t they know and I don't. I could care less what magazine your crap is in, don't tell it to me like that. Tell it to me like a fellow CAD user, and maybe post a pic, or a link to see some of your work and what you use cad for, a job? work? school?. I happen to think architecture is more important than 2-D art, SO SUE ME.

I try to explain myself, and all I get is "He doesn't know sh*t, can't even spell it! Stupid kid." I don't get it. I don't think I was being too outward in giving my stance and opinions to you.

Whatever.

@kained but able: I wasn't showing off, I was just explaining what we call CAD around my parts, you prolly have more experience with it anyhow, and I envy you for having '04.




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