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Posted 19 April 2005 - 02:51 PM

Would the new pentium 4 with bus speeds 800 but only 3.0 ghz be better than a 3.4 ghz with lower bus speeds?

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Posted 19 April 2005 - 03:31 PM

Last time I checked there is no Intel CPU with a clockspeed of 3,40 GHz while having 533 MHz FSB. Only CPU's running on 800 MHz FSB can reach 3,40 GHz.

And no, there is nothing in between 800 and 533.


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Posted 19 April 2005 - 03:33 PM

ah.. makes sense. care to explain bus speeds or whatever they're called?

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Posted 19 April 2005 - 03:33 PM

Highest 533MHz FSB P4 is the 3.06 with HT... But it's discontinued.

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Posted 19 April 2005 - 04:52 PM

The Prescott "A" has a 533 MHz FSB wink.gif

And yes, the 3.0 GHz P4 (Prescott or Northwood) would be much better then the 3.4 GHz Prescott "A"

Not just because of the FSB speeds, but also because the Prescott "A" just sucks for anything outside of massive overclocks. It doesn't have hyperthreading, and well, the slow FSB speed simply chokes it, P4's are bandwidth hungry.

Are you asking this for any reason? I hope you're not actually planning on buying a P4... tounge.gif

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Posted 19 April 2005 - 05:28 PM

QUOTE (the_travis_s @ Apr 19 2005, 18:52)
The Prescott "A" has a 533 MHz FSB wink.gif

And yes, the 3.0 GHz P4 (Prescott or Northwood) would be much better then the 3.4 GHz Prescott "A"

Not just because of the FSB speeds, but also because the Prescott "A" just sucks for anything outside of massive overclocks. It doesn't have hyperthreading, and well, the slow FSB speed simply chokes it, P4's are bandwidth hungry.

Are you asking this for any reason? I hope you're not actually planning on buying a P4... tounge.gif

I beg your pardon. Intel CPU's are still better ... when it doesn't come to gaming catspider.gif

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Posted 19 April 2005 - 05:51 PM

QUOTE (vALKYR™ @ Apr 19 2005, 18:28)
Intel CPU's are still better ... when it doesn't come to gaming catspider.gif

Yes, I'd certainly have to agree. Especially on a cold winter's day, just switch on that double-core P4, and bingo! instant warm room. colgate.gif

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Posted 19 April 2005 - 06:47 PM

What's wrong with P4? wow.gif

For gaming or anything else?

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Posted 19 April 2005 - 07:28 PM

QUOTE (Snik @ Apr 19 2005, 12:47)
What's wrong with P4? wow.gif

For gaming or anything else?

Nothing. They just don't perform as well as Athlon 64s overall.

And P4s, especially prescotts, definitely act as a small heater. I have a 3.0C northwood that keeps this room a good 5°+ warmer than the rest of the house. I've also got a 2.4C laying here, but I'm afraid the walls will become molten-like if I put it to use.

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Posted 19 April 2005 - 07:43 PM

Not if you cool it the right way. My cooling solutions seem to cool my 3,62 GHz Prescott down to 30°C IDLE wow.gif


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Posted 19 April 2005 - 09:10 PM Edited by the_travis_s, 19 April 2005 - 10:26 PM.

QUOTE (vALKYR™ @ Apr 19 2005, 17:28)
I beg your pardon. Intel CPU's are still better ... when it doesn't come to gaming  catspider.gif

Prepare for benchmark overload!

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Need I go on? I think you get the idea...

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BTW, I purposefully picked the benchmarks where AMD was winning. There are a number of benchmarks where Intel wins with similar results. What I was trying to prove here was simple, AMD is good at many other things then just gaming.

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Posted 19 April 2005 - 09:56 PM

QUOTE (vALKYR™ @ Apr 19 2005, 14:43)
Not if you cool it the right way. My cooling solutions seem to cool my 3,62 GHz Prescott down to 30°C IDLE wow.gif


The heat has got to go somewhere jackass....meaning that your cooling solution is pretty good so your surrounding temp would actualy be hotter since more heat is being taken away from the chip to the surrounding air.

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Posted 19 April 2005 - 10:05 PM

Neo-K 182 looks at all the benchmark tests. smiles that his new laptop has an AMD Athlon 64 3700+ (2.4 Ghz)


intel got owned.

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Posted 20 April 2005 - 01:18 AM

But doesn't the equivalent of a Pentium 4 cost a sh*tload more as an Athlon 64? I may be wrong...

I just bought a P4 Prescott 800FSB 3.2GHz CPU. Obviously an improvement on my 650MHz of P3, but when you guys say games aren't so good on a Pentium, does that mean they actually cause lag and errors? Or do they simply perform less well?

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Posted 20 April 2005 - 01:20 AM

i know amd 64s are better than pent4 i wouldnt get any pent4 go amd if you are going to get new comp.

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Posted 20 April 2005 - 01:48 AM

QUOTE (Neo-K 182 @ Apr 20 2005, 08:35)
Neo-K 182 looks at all the benchmark tests. smiles that his new laptop has an AMD Athlon 64 3700+ (2.4 Ghz)


intel got owned.

Cran slaps Neo-K 182


You know my laptop owns yours smile.gif . Anyway back on topic, intel just isn't as good, performace wise comparing to the A64. But the new 6 series Pentium 4 do get pretty close in gaming from what i've seen in vAL's tests.

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Posted 20 April 2005 - 02:04 AM

QUOTE (Cran. @ Apr 19 2005, 18:48)
QUOTE (Neo-K 182 @ Apr 20 2005, 08:35)
Neo-K 182 looks at all the benchmark tests. smiles that his new laptop has an AMD Athlon 64 3700+ (2.4 Ghz)


intel got owned.

Cran slaps Neo-K 182


You know my laptop owns yours smile.gif . Anyway back on topic, intel just isn't as good, performace wise comparing to the A64. But the new 6 series Pentium 4 do get pretty close in gaming from what i've seen in vAL's tests.

Well, looks like I'm going to have to look for a AMD Athlon 64 FX-55.

Road Kill Cafe searches newegg.com, only to find they cost nearly $830.


DAMN! Ok, an AMD Athlon 64 3400+.

Road Kill Cafe searches again.


Finally, more in MY price range. $219. Here's the one I found...

AMD Athlon 64 3400+

...compared to the the other one I was gonna buy...

Intel Pentium 4 3.40E GHz

In your opinion, guys, better? Or not. Cuz I think so. I just want a second opinion before I rush things and end up buying something inferior and, therefore, end up being, more so, pwned by every god-damned n00b in CounterStrike. But not Half-Life 2. I simply own there...

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Posted 20 April 2005 - 03:25 AM Edited by Cran., 20 April 2005 - 03:31 AM.

The AMD 64 3400+ is better than that 3.4GHz P4, i'm sure of it. Get a socket 939 cpu, so you can upgrade to dual core later on smile.gif

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Posted 20 April 2005 - 09:19 AM

QUOTE (Suction Testicle Man @ Apr 19 2005, 19:18)
I just bought a P4 Prescott 800FSB 3.2GHz CPU. Obviously an improvement on my 650MHz of P3, but when you guys say games aren't so good on a Pentium, does that mean they actually cause lag and errors? Or do they simply perform less well?

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They simply perform less well... and produce a lot more heat.... and cost more than the A64 "equivalent".

But seriously, you aren't going to notice a significant difference in gaming between a 3.2 P4 and an A64 3200+, for example. The video card is the key factor.




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