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Posted 04 April 2005 - 06:20 PM

What is the fastest Car in the game????
this is big

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Posted 04 April 2005 - 06:22 PM

Hotring Racer. It has pretty good handling too.

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Posted 04 April 2005 - 06:23 PM

is that 100%
so the Hotring Racer is the fastest car in gtavc

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Posted 04 April 2005 - 06:55 PM

I thought it was the Cheetah. It said in Gamefaqs that it was. But I may be wrong.

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Posted 05 April 2005 - 05:57 AM

It's definately the Hotring Racer.

I believe ducking down on a PCJ600 is faster, but I can't seem to have enough control on the bike if I'm ducking...

Spuds has a list somewhere which he got from another forum. It shows the speed of every car over the length of a runway at the airport.

Fuzzy searches

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Posted 05 April 2005 - 01:28 PM

QUOTE (Fuzzy Juzzy @ Apr 5 2005, 00:57)
It's definately the Hotring Racer.

I believe ducking down on a PCJ600 is faster, but I can't seem to have enough control on the bike if I'm ducking...

Spuds has a list somewhere which he got from another forum. It shows the speed of every car over the length of a runway at the airport.

Fuzzy searches

Here is a link to the post in which I quoted from another forum-- someone did trials on all the vehicles at the airport-- overall the hotring racer is the fastest car-- the PCJ is faster if you duck. Remember this is a short distance so a vehicles acceleration will have a large impact on this-- I am relatively certain that the hot ring racer has the highest top end speed-- I think the cheetah handles the best of any car.

If someone digs through the code they could probably verify the actual highest speed possible.




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Posted 05 April 2005 - 06:44 PM

Go with the Hotring Racer...as it has a simliar speed to PCG, but sharp turning on a bike is a b!tch. A car is more simly by using both Handbreak to stop and Reverse to stop spinning out of control.....It works.

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Posted 05 April 2005 - 07:31 PM Edited by Samutz, 07 April 2005 - 11:42 PM.

QUOTE (Spuds725 @ Apr 5 2005, 08:28)
If someone digs through the code they could probably verify the actual highest speed possible.

Looking at the numbers from the handling.cfg (unmodded) from the PC version:

Vehicle IDMax VelocityAcceleration
HOTRING220.0 kmph / 136.7 mph36.0 ms-2
CHEETAH230.0 kmph / 142.9 mph32.0 ms-2
INFERNUS240.0 kmph / 149.1 mph29.0 ms-2
BIKE (PCJ)190.0 kmph / 118.1 mph50.0 ms-2
SANDKING170.0 kmph / 105.6 mph25.0 ms-2
COMET200.0 kmph / 124.3 mph28.0 ms-2
STINGER200.0 kmph / 124.3 mph28.0 ms-2
SABRETUR180.0 kmph / 111.8 mph32.0 ms-2
ANGEL190.0 kmph / 118.1 mph45.0 ms-2
BANSHEE200.0 kmph / 124.3 mph33.0 ms-2
BLISTAC200.0 kmph / 124.3 mph30.0 ms-2
However, this doesn't take into account terrian, ducking, etc. There are some numbers towards the bottom that are labeled "LeanFwdCOM" and "LeanFwdForce", but I have no idea how they fit into the formula.

Edit: Added Sandking.
Edit2: Added units kmph and ms-2 (according to the comments in the handling.cfg), and the conversion to mph for the hell of it.

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Posted 05 April 2005 - 08:29 PM

How fast does the sandking go?

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Posted 06 April 2005 - 02:01 AM

If I recall correctly... the Sandking is not really that fas.. but I know for a fact that the Hotring Racer is the fastest car in the game. Oh and one more thing, shouldnt this topic be in the Gameplay section?

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Posted 06 April 2005 - 05:32 AM

I think this thread is fine here-- it is a general discussion of vehicle speed.

Thanks for posting those stats samutz-- I'll have to do some math to see how long it takes for the cheetah and infernus to get up to top speed-- obviously the acceleration on the hotring racer is about 15% greater then the cheetah-- might need to figure out how long to floor it before the cheetah gets up to speed and then do time trial with a start after its up to speed to verify.... it sure doesn't feel the faster then the racer.

If you can post the comet and stinger stats also, I would be greatful.

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Posted 06 April 2005 - 06:17 AM

QUOTE (Spuds725 @ Apr 6 2005, 00:32)
If you can post the comet and stinger stats also, I would be greatful.

Done (edited other post).

And yes, they have the same numbers. I didn't mess up copy and paste.

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Posted 06 April 2005 - 02:23 PM

Thanks alot-- user posted image

These are all the cars I've used for street racing and was curious as to how they compare.

I've used the cheetah on alot of races but the times I get should be better (IMO) based on what you posted-- I might have to revisit the cheetah for a couple of races. I was told the stinger was a great car to use for "tour" but the stats say otherwise-- the comet handles better and has the same stats, the cheetah handles better with better stats.

The only other vehicle I'm curious about is the "super angel"-- available in "alloy wheels of steel" that the other bikes use--- I'm assuming the game activates the perfect handling cheat and a faster speed cheat so there probably isn't stats for that.

Thanks again....

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Posted 06 April 2005 - 05:29 PM Edited by Samutz, 06 April 2005 - 05:33 PM.

Well for handling, there are other numbers related to brakes and suspension and well as a few other things that most likely affect it. The numbers I posted were just for speed reasons.


As for the "super" angel, it's modified through the game's mission coding. This is from the decompiles main.scm:
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00A5: $1418 = create_car #ANGEL at $1412 $1413 $1414
0423: car $1418 improve_handling  2.0
0175: set_car $1418 z_angle_to $1438
00AE: unknown_set_car $1418 to_ignore_traffic_lights  2
00AD: set_car $1418 max_speed_to  63.0
02AA: set_car $1418 immune_to_nonplayer  1
0129: $140F = create_actor  4 #BKA in_car $1418 driverseat


Opcodes 0423 and 00AD, but I don't know what the game does with those numbers. Obviously, 63 kmph can't be the actual speed because the regular angel in the handling.cfg has a max velocity of 190 kmph.

I took a look at Hilary's Sabre Turbo from The Driver:
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0423: car $F9C improve_handling  1.5

CODE
00AD: set_car $F9C max_speed_to  45.0

Regular Sabre Turbo: 180.0 kmph, 32.0 ms-2


My best guess is that the improve_handling number is a multiplier, but I don't know which numbers exactly it multiplies. And the max_speed_to number is either a change in the acceleration (45 ms-2) or added on the max speed (180+45=225). You'd probably have to run tests comparing the original and the modified to find out.

Edit: Added regular Sabre Turbo and Angel to other post. I'd add all the cars if there weren't over 70 of them.

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Posted 06 April 2005 - 08:42 PM

hah! i thought the infernus was the fastest top end! but everyone told me it was the cheetah. infernus was my fave car first time through. now i like em all and can appreciate the variations their performance adds to the gameplay. i hardly use infernus in my current game.

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Posted 06 April 2005 - 11:34 PM

Thanks again samutz---

I went ahead and edited the thread title to reflect the subject-- it was called "help" before.

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 01:49 PM

QUOTE (Andreas915 @ Apr 4 2005, 18:22)
Hotring Racer. It has pretty good handling too.

And how could I aquire myself one of these?

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 01:53 PM

buy sunshine autos and do the missions. as you do them, you get more and more autos in your showroom. eventually you get a racer.

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 08:33 PM

You don't need a chart to see the Hotring is the fastest car. You can feel it as you play the game. whatsthat.gif

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 09:19 PM

Just to clarify, there are now missions for SSA per se... after you buy it, you need to go behind the showroom and look next to the garage door that doesn't open-- there is a list of cars that are to be delivered-- finish the first list and there will be another, and another, and another (4 total)-- the 4th (last) list will earn you the hotring racer.

Also--for gta3pcguy, if you look at the stats posted by Samutz-- the fastest car is the infernus, followed by the cheetah, and then the hotring racer. The hotring racer just has a higher acceleration-- so depending on how you are driving will determine which vehicle can get you from point A to point B the fastest.

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 10:25 PM Edited by The Schmoo, 07 April 2005 - 10:28 PM.

Awesome! I had always thought it was the Infernus but had been told otherwise. Thanks for the chart.

Edit: Could you add the Banshee, please?

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 10:50 PM

I don't know why so many feel the Cheetah has the fastest top speed, or even the Hot Ring Racer ( which runs and handles like a sloppy Infernus ). The Infernus always struck me as the fastest flat out. And judging by the stats from Samutz, this seems to be true.

In regards to highest manuverability, the honors I think would go to the Cheetah, and the Blista Compact - Yes the Blista.

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Posted 09 April 2005 - 09:29 AM

I still think that Hotring Racer is the best car for streetraces. But that's just my opinion. I haven't tried Infernus yet.

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Posted 09 April 2005 - 12:03 PM

Excluding using the "Super Angel" these are the best vehicles IMO for each of the street races.

Terminal Velocity-- Hotring Racer
Border Run-- Cheetah or comet (need good handling for the first 1/2 of the race)
Ocean Drive-- PCJ 600 (ducking for the long straight parts)
Capital Cruise- Hotring Racer
Tour-- Hotring Racer
VC Endurance-- Hotring Racer

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Posted 15 April 2005 - 09:41 PM

[bit off topic]
i manged to do all of the sunny autos racing missons in a tank!

"God that was fun"

the first one was suprisingly the hardest in the tank.

[on topic]

i think the reason why the hotring feels faster than most of the other cars is because it MAYBE lighter!

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Posted 16 April 2005 - 09:58 AM

I wouldn't trust the information on from handling.cfg. I downloaded a mod that puts a speedometer in the corner of the screen, which is basically drawing data from the Vice City internals to indicate how fast you're going. I would trust this indicator.

Using this, I observed the top speed of the Cheetah and Infernus to be around 103mph, while the top speed of the Hotring was around 112mph. The PCJ-600 was also around 110mph, but went up to as much as 155mph when ducked down (although this took such a long time to get to and required such a straight shot that it's totally unrealistic; you could maybe get up to 140mph or so most of the time).

Personally, I've been able to do a few seconds better with the Hotring than the Cheetah, so I'll consider this sufficient evidence that these numbers are accurate. Furthermore, I think most people would agree that PCJ-600 is very fast when you're ducked down.

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Posted 16 April 2005 - 10:10 AM

QUOTE (Spuds725 @ Apr 9 2005, 22:33)
Excluding using the "Super Angel" these are the best vehicles IMO for each of the street races.

Terminal Velocity-- Hotring Racer
Border Run-- Cheetah or comet (need good handling for the first 1/2 of the race)
Ocean Drive-- PCJ 600 (ducking for the long straight parts)
Capital Cruise- Hotring Racer
Tour-- Hotring Racer
VC Endurance-- Hotring Racer

I used the Vice Cheetah for all those races because I totally forgot about the Hotring.

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Posted 17 April 2005 - 10:12 AM

Actually I believe the Infernus has the fastest top speed, its only that its handling isn't that great, so hardly anyone uses it at its top speed.

I believe the Stinger has the best handling though, only thing is that I think its too good in VC, and I find it a little hard to control it.

I still prefer using Cheetah the most, because of its high speed and good handling.

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Posted 18 April 2005 - 08:32 PM

The Cheetah has very good handling, but I still don't see how anyone could get the impression that it tops out higher than the Infernus. And from my experience, the Hotring Racer is just a clunker to have some fun with when you're in a redneck mood.

The Infernus has great acceleration, and handling is fine if not exceptional, so I drive it almost exclusively.

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Posted 19 April 2005 - 12:52 AM

I've competed in a VC recordbook on another forum, and believe it or not, the Hotring racer is the best car for most of the street races-- the acceleration must make the difference. So while its not the fastest, it gives you the best times if you figure out how to drive it.

I've also used it in the mission "the Driver" by parking it at the first light and switching cars, and even doing the switch, I've passed Hillary up on the first hard left turn--if not there, then definitely before reaching the Pole Position club-- my best time with it is 1:50.




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