|QUOTE (Ibro @ Apr 1 2005, 17:51)|
|QUOTE (HoodyG @ Apr 1 2005, 14:06)|
| In fact religion has been proven bogus about a 80 years ago or so when people first flew above clouds, like I have many times, and I didn't see any giant man with white beard nor flying people dressed in white with a halo sticking out of their heads. That's because church authorities came up with that long before anyone imagined the possibility of a human seeing what's above clouds. Science proved that wrong and also what they said about thunderstorms being a sign that God is angry, when due to modern research we know that that is simply a cause of static electricity. But seeing you conservative freaks still believe makes me feel eerie that I am same species as you. |
Don't listen to Priests. Most of them are corrupt like you said, but God does exist. Read the Bible, many things have been explained in that book, that happened AFTER it was made. Confusing, huh? It's called Faith. One thing that anti religious people will never explain it what i just said. Many scientist are Shutting Up because the Bible is describing events that happened after the Bible was made. If you ask any true Christian they will tell you that after we pray we fill really good, and once I unexpectedly cried. I didn't even fell like crying, I suddenly started to ball. I told my parents and they told me the holy spirit came into me.
That's because you're a girly man. Here's the little word exchange we had today for the world to see:
I read what your argument about how God is false, but howcome in the Bible it describes events that happened thousands of years after the Bible was published. For example, the Bible described a day when thousands died and two very big towers were destroyed by terror. Sound Familiar? Itr also describes about the Antichrist coming down to Earth, but before that happens people would have chips in their hand and use that to live. That chip would be how the buy stuff and everyday activities. Japan already made chips like that. The Bible was made ALONG time ago and howcome these events came true? How can miracles such as a car's brake pedal broke and was speeding towards a cliff, then suddenly it stops. People have claimed that happened to them. Now please explain to me how the Bible described events before they happened?
Did " The Bible" not say that an idiot religious Tw*t will be wasting my time in 2005? If it didn't, it's wrong. When " God" said, " ...There shall be light... ", He obviously didn't refer to you.
I never read " Teh Bible", but I once downloaded the audio version from internet, just for laughs, although it wasn't funny. Well anyway I didn't even bother downloading the whole thing, and only at 70% or so I got, consisted of over 80 hours of hypocritical crap! You can imagine how many pages that is, but you probably already know that.
Anyway, let's say thousands of pages of the original Bible, all predicting future and referencing past. Although there is no other way to know the past as the church banned production of any other books that could have differed it's version of what happened, but that's another story. So, many people up until this day, deep in golden age of science still believe it.
So, what it says about past, I know some of examples such as, " God said, there shall be light!" or " And " virgin" Marry was blessed for she got pregnant", doesn't give me much of a choice but to say it's utter and premium bullsh*t, as I am educated. And even though I highly bring the solidarity of the book itself into question, I am not going to give you much of an argument as to what it says about past, due to the lack of evidence to prove it wrong, ( remember it's your beloved church that slayed people for trying to differentiate the validness of the book), but am more going to focus on the future. Ok, again I haven't read The Bible, but let me try to answer using simple logic that you have apparently abstained from using.
You asked me, how is that if I claim Bible to be wrong, it predicted so many events that occurred in recorded history? Well first off let me remind you that " The Bible" has over a thousand ( thousands of pages), and that in all the crap they put there there's got to be something they put in there that's gonna happen. Such thing is called odds, like when you're playing poker ( which you probably don't if you're religious).
Maybe " The Bible" didn't predict that the Japanese will create the chip ( I highly doubt that is the word they used) that will control the human race, but that maybe some Japanese business man was inspired by The Bible, to create such a chip! And I really think you got confused there for a second as " The Bible" isn't what predicted the thing about the towers getting hit by birds or whatever, but that Nostradamus ( sp?) allegedly did. Since I very plainly remember it was a prediction of his. Even though I don't believe that there are people who were " gifted" as you would most preferably address, or as I would simply put, born with a sixth sense. A sense which allows you to predict future as they say. To me, that is as much boloney as what the movies made it look like " communicating with the dead". You don't have to be a religious person to believe there are people who can predict time, although some worshipers do or don't, that's strictly their choice. A dumb choice, but their choice.
I am going also to post this in " Dead newborn" thread, so that everybody can see it, as a response to your PM. In the next one ( if you even have something left to tell me anything reasonable, make sure it's reasonable and fully supported by the facts, i. e. as I didn't contradict the past of " The Bible" much, since I didn't have enough evidence to support my claims. I only gave my opinion based on common sense that I'm able to gather... ugh
As a religious person, especially as a Christian, I bet that you live by those rules set up to you in the " Ten Commandments". If that's the case, than why in Sam Hill's name did your parents/ you ( depending on your age) buy the game this forum is devoted to huh? It disrespects every commandment I know!
Ok, let's say you do ( live by the " Commandments"), and I think the first commandment is " Thou shall not worship any other God but me!". Followed by 9 other inspiring
fortune cookie phrases anybody could come up with, and they are there to make you think, " If it says I shouldn't commit a murder and I ( taking myself as an example) should listen to that rule, I must especially listen to the first rule. Reason they put that there? So that as much people as possible who are interested in the benefits of obeying such rules i. e. peace and harmony on Earth and an eternal life in " Heaven", would follow that very first rule the most! Only worship that God! For the church knows, the more worshipers, the more money, the more money, the more power, and with that power they could easily eliminate any opposing organizations i. e. religions and ban general education of the public, and with that money build even more churches and create programs to educate ( as only they can, literally) the youth in religious ways, so that they would be blissful and blind to reality and as long as they think their way the more naive they become in terms of what they tell them. That's where the Bible comes in and since the church now has so much power ( it is almost like the government) that The Bible is the only book being printed.
If you go back a page or two ( on the thread), you'll also see what I say about how the church eliminated any scientists who tried to free the people of being mindless slaves of the church who were executed in the most gruesome deaths for that " crime", ever bringing " God" into question.
Like once when we did the history lesson about Galileo ( that guy who discovered that the Earth is by no means the center of the Universe, but merely a planet in the solar system that spins around the sun, instead of the sun spinning around it, though he thought that the solar system was the universe but that's not the point), we had to " pray" right before the class to the " God", and then immediately after that studied about how he was executed by the church for trying to reveal the nylon dust cover from the pitiful book of disgraceful insincerenes we call " the truth", ruled and dictated by the opressionist church itself.
In one of my previous posts I also described how rival churches, much like " gangs" in GTA games, try to put each other out of business, like by telling people if they do something that will help their organization, telling them how if they did that they will benefit themselves from, i. e. by acquiring privilege for the existence in the " eternal life". And because they're been brainwashed, they'll of course easily agree. i. e. :
the Muslim church - Hey, Ashid! Come over here.
the Muslim church - What are you doing Ashid?
Ashid - (all exhausted like) Praying. (holding a mug of coffee and a jug)
Ashid - I prayed at 11pm, 3am, and now I'm trying to stay awake for the 5am prayers, I can't wait, those are the good ones you know ( looking like he's gonna pass out).
the Muslim church - Yeh, that's great listen, can you smuggle weapons through high airport security, hi jack an airplane from an international airport and smash it into the tallest building in the world?
Ashid - Well I don't know, I've got a lot of plans tonite, like I was gonna pray tonight at 7pm, then at 8 watch the newest praying song videos on public government tv, and than at 10, watch American id... I mean hahahah pray some more... ugh.
the Muslim church - Say, if you do this thing you will go to heaven and have 77... 8! virgins waiting for you there in the internal abyss.. uh, bliss!
Ashid - I'm in!
Due to dumbness and lifetime of brainwashing, they wouldn't even bring it into question unfortunately. This was of course a completely imagined conversation in which both characters and events ( more like the coffee thing than the 9/ 11 reference) are completely fictional, with a healthy dose of western humor involved.
Church is the first big capitalist power that has survived up until this day by being an evil, oppresionist, hypocritical, capitalist money hungry corporation, which until this day dictates many people's lives for personal benefit and NOT theirs. Although it isn't nearly as extreme as it used to be during dark ages, since people are finally beginning to see light at the end of the tunnel, or better put a crawling out of a deep dark cave, due to a rocketing success of a long ( not so long compared to the history though) science age, which is prospering at an ever bigger speed, and hopefully sooner than expected, due to the impending decrease in number of religious compared to count of educated ( unbrainwashed, there are also educated people who still are brainwashed) people, our population's smarts will eventually top the God loving and hopefully someday, that kind of blissfulness imposing dictatorship might even be lost forever, leaving people remembering the mistakes of the past ages and focusing on a better, prosperous future.
Like many religious people say that it's great that they have hope, faith, beliefs, and that is why they are religious. Listen, you don't have to worship " God" to have hope of a good life, just be a good person and it will be much better than committing sins ( not like sex but extreme ones lol) and then praying i. e. " God, forgive us sinners", just like those stupid dim wits pro lifers in front of ex Terry Schiavo's hospice. You don't have to give money to the church to have " faith" in a better successful life.
You don't have to read Bible to have belie...
oh forget it who needs beliefs anyway?! Be happy with this life ( as long as you're honest) 'cause it's the only one you have! There's no such thing as an afterlife!
How the this particular religion has evolved is what happens with every business out there, it starts out small, than when it develops is turns money hungry, and fortunately for America and much of the developed world, those businesses can be stopped in track before they become too dangerous due to intense competition. But you see, in the old days, there wasn't much competition for the church thus giving it the freedom to do whatever it wants and impose any kind of tyrannical law they can possibly think of, in order to become more powerful. Even though Muslim church ( or whatever is in Middle East) isn't as powerful as Christianity is because people in the Middle East do not have as much money to give to church and a large factor is that most of them are made of SOLID GOLD! But that of course is to inspire people attending it and devoting themselves to it, as they see it as a higher cause, and so they are more loyal to it because you see, they are in the dark ages right now, both in terms of development and education. Their church has not let them make much progress, because they like it the way it is ( the church), they may not have enough money, but the church sure did make them live their lives for it.
As they say, fire's fought with fire, religion by religion. So I only hope that in nearest future as possible ( probably centuries from now), the Christian church will out pupulize all others to eliminate them as in the impending quests for knowledge and the anti terrorism/ dictatorship war for freedom, when takes effect, people will have enough freedom of speech and independent thinking, that they will start choosing the religion they believe is more appropriate for their families ( hopefully Christianism because it doesn't make you commit murder nor does it do the same crime against you ANYMORE), and after a couple of hundred years from then ( hopefully wars will not last more than 10 years from now), people in the Middle East will diss Christianity as well as westerners who I hope will get over this life defining phenomena long before.
Let's all look on the bright side ( literally), and hope something as stupid and crazy like this we have let happen to us never happens again.